My copy of Tekken 6 arrived today

Wait, I thought Lili was super basic, isn't she?
Oh, and are her juggle strong and long?

Don't know about long, but her damage is great for how simple the commands are. Her best B! ender is 323, which requires a dash in to make it all land, unless it's a really short juggle. W! d/f+3 B! f+3+434 her best wall option. f+23 has good wall carry, as does 323.

Erh, I have trouble landing the d/f3 in this Lili juggle: u/f3, b21~b, bt12, d/f3, B!, 323. Is it just not that consistent or am I doing something wrong?

Also, I was messing with Steve in the training mode and I did this:



Over 70% of damage in the biggest stage with walls, so it's not situational at all, and there are definitely stronger combos (with rage, floor/wall breaks etc). Walls need to be toned down.

Yeah but that's Kuma. You can do stuff to him that won't work with the other characters because he has a much bigger hitbox. That's why almost all death combo vids use Kuma/Panda or Marduk, because they don't work with anyone else.

And d/f+3 has odd timing, like I said. You need to hold off on it for just an instant. If you do it as soon as you can, it'll miss. That's why d/f+1+2 is much better to use for regular juggles, and d/f+3 is saved for the wall.

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

Yeah but that's Kuma. You can do stuff to him that won't work with the other characters because he has a much bigger hitbox. That's why almost all death combo vids use Kuma/Panda or Marduk, because they don't work with anyone else.

Oh you. Fine, pretty much the same combo (only the W! part changes) again from the starting point of the biggest stage on normal characters does 65% and the same combo starting from the yellow line, in order to get the B! after the W!, does even more damage.

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And d/f+3 has odd timing, like I said. You need to hold off on it for just an instant. If you do it as soon as you can, it'll miss. That's why d/f+1+2 is much better to use for regular juggles, and d/f+3 is saved for the wall.

I see. The last hit of 323 also misses occasionally. I suppose I'm not dashing deep enough or I'm not pressing the 323 fast enough.

Yeah, that's just you not dashing in far enough. Fiddling with Lili in practice mode, it seems easier to dash in after d/f+3 rather than f+1+2.

Does the online still suck?

Online hasn't sucked for months. It's just you.

I refuse to believe that. Why would they hate Australia that much to give us such unstable laggy online. What did Australia do to them?

niggaploxyoyoblacktalk wrote:

I refuse to believe that. Why would they hate Australia that much to give us such unstable laggy online. What did Australia do to them?

it lags because that aussie dude is checking nothing that may corrupt your mind is being sent

Online doesn't suck, but it's far from perfect. I can only block low when the low move is very slow or when I anticipated it. I've some execution trouble too during some juggles that require precise timing. Hit-confirming moves is also out of question.

not being able to block low sounds like a a seriously sucky issue

I'm thinking of picking up another secondary character to replace Leo. Don't know who though. Tried Dragunov, Miguel and Jack but I didn't really like them.

I thought Lars was your secondary. Try Bob.

He was for a while. But I do much better with him than I do with Leo. I was thinking of giving Bob a try, or going back to Lili, since I have a feel for her anyway.

I didn't like Lili. Something just didn't feel right when I used her... she was too basic. I guess I prefer characters with different stances.

I recommend Bob because you seem to like the new characters, he is easy and I think he's supposed to be played like Lars.

I didn't really pick them because they were new. You suggested I learn Lars, and I decided to use Leo because Leo had quick stance transitions like Lars.

Maybe you try Hwoarang or Baek if you want a stance-ey character.

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

You suggested I learn Lars

Huh, really?
Anyway, Hwoarang's too hard to play and all of Baek's combos look like 10-hit strings. I guess I will give Baek a try, even though I think I'll pick Roger in the end. My only problem is that it seems nobody is using him, so I don't know where to look for tips/juggles.

Roger is annoying as hell. I played the same Roger 3 or 4 times the other night, and the first couple of matches he walked all over me because I had no idea what he could do. Won in the end though.

embrace gouken nonny... EMBRACE HIM

how can you say no to this face

Roger seems crazy. He has a hopkick, unparriable sweeps, good oki, no tracking issues, above average damage, many safe moves with great frame advantages even on block (!) and many fast and strong throws. Range is apparently his only weak point.
He's not on the same level as Lars, Bob, Bruce and Steve, but he's definitely one of the easiest and most effective characters.



Why do all SF4 characters have so small heads?

Well that was a thorough ass kicking. Did better than I expected with Lili though. You thinking of using Lee Chou?

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

Well that was a thorough ass kicking.

Once again you gave me a lot of trouble avoiding my CH launchers. Most people online fall for the sidestep~shoulder~uppercut all the time.

I've always liked Lee, but unfortunately I can't do even a single b2~f~N and his juggles require 5 in a row. Unless, I can get the timing down, I won't be using him.
Other characters I've in my mind are:

Lei (so many stances, so many options)
Baek (again, many options due to his FLA cancelling)
Lili
Lars

I fall for it all the time, or at least it feels that way to me. I just can't get my head around it's range for some reason. I always think it'll wiff and then I get hit by it.

Blair Waldorf wrote:

Why do all SF4 characters have so small heads?

They don't its just there muscles/bodies are huge