One Piece Weekly Chapter Discussion

The Colloseum parts suck.

Yeah, I can't say I'm really caring for any of this myself.

The coliseum will pick up once there are way less people in the tournament.

The Colosseum parts still suck.

Can't wait for Rebecca to join the crew. :3

Kaio wrote:

Can't wait for Rebecca to join the crew. :3

Oda's just screwing with you. He's slowly building up and pulling off another Alabasta situation and Bellamy will be the next member.

The only new characters I have liked so far are Bartolomeo and Toy Soldier, they are fun.

I'm pretty sure every fighter in this arc will be a part of Luffy's armada, not his crew.

Doflamingo you sly dog.

This week's chapter was really good (722). It just is a little frustrating that Oda skipped over what could have been a very awesome fight. The beginning of it was boss. Oh and the colosseum parts have gotten better since the Chinjao fight IMO. At least it's more interesting than Sanji and Zoro getting literally nowhere.

Zero wrote:

This week's chapter was really good (722). It just is a little frustrating that Oda skipped over what could have been a very awesome fight.

You expected him to show us Fujitora and Doflamingo fighting? No chance. That will wait until they fight the Straw Hats directly.

SimianWonder wrote:

Zero wrote:

This week's chapter was really good (722). It just is a little frustrating that Oda skipped over what could have been a very awesome fight.

You expected him to show us Fujitora and Doflamingo fighting?  No chance.  That will wait until they fight the Straw Hats directly.

I certainly didn't expect it, no. It would have been nice to see though. Law just showed us in the last arc some incredible destructive capability and apparently that means fuck all in front of DD and Fujitora. Would have been nice to see why. Are Doflamingo's threads that difficult to cut that they're above mountain level durability? That's kind of insane.

Law's DF is certainly strong, but he's against a bona fide Admiral and, in Doflamingo, someone who effortlessly bought Smoker, a logia using Vice-Admiral don't forget, to the brink of death. Doflamingo may not be admiral tier (he walked away from Kuzan, and seemed genuinely fearful of what Fujitora can do) but he's no pushover.

As always, we'll likely have to see Luffy trying to suss out Doflamingo's power before he beats him, and I'm not even sure I'd expect that to happen this arc.

Law's fruit isn't good I dunno where people got that impression. Against mooks its broken against high level Haki and fast fighter its almost useless. He explained both of these things in the last arc.

I honestly think he'd get wrecked by Kid.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Against mooks its broken against high level Haki and fast fighter its almost useless.  He explained both of these things in the last arc.

I don't recall them mentioning it not working on fast users. Law appeared to struggle fighting Vergo, but they weren't on even footing as Vergo had his heart. The only time the two of them fought all out... well, it was Doflamingo saying that Law's power was useless against high-level haki users like Vergo, moments before Law cut Vergo the fuck in half, along with a portion of a mountain range. Yes, Vergo didn't try to avoid it, but he was supposedly a high tier armament haki user and it still worked pretty well.

SimianWonder wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Against mooks its broken against high level Haki and fast fighter its almost useless.  He explained both of these things in the last arc.

I don't recall them mentioning it not working on fast users.  Law appeared to struggle fighting Vergo, but they weren't on even footing as Vergo had his heart.  The only time the two of them fought all out... well, it was Doflamingo saying that Law's power was useless against high-level haki users like Vergo, moments before Law cut Vergo the fuck in half, along with a portion of a mountain range.  Yes, Vergo didn't try to avoid it, but he was supposedly a high tier armament haki user and it still worked pretty well.

He needs a sword swing to utilise the cutting technique and thats the majority of the power he utilises.  His swordmanship has not yet been shown to be exceptional.  Fighting someone like Zoro could actually give him trouble given Zoro's speed and haki level.

Vergo hadn't fought Law in a long time.  I don't think Doflamingo is one who we can assume is wrong.  The fact was Law most likely had grown in the years Vergo hadn't known him.

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He needs a sword swing to utilise the cutting technique and thats the majority of the power he utilises.  His swordmanship has not yet been shown to be exceptional.  Fighting someone like Zoro could actually give him trouble given Zoro's speed and haki level.

 
A fair point, but he doesn't need a sword to steal people's hearts (in the literal sense, not the romantic sense), nor to use his body swap technique.  Interesting battle there though... Law v Zoro.  Zoro's swordsmanship is obviously superior, but does he have enough in his closet to avoid all of Law's tricks?
 

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Vergo hadn't fought Law in a long time.  I don't think Doflamingo is one who we can assume is wrong.  The fact was Law most likely had grown in the years Vergo hadn't known him.

 
Quite, that was Law's entire point; he had grown exponentially, Doflamingo was basing his play off outdated knowledge.

Its been suggested that having a higher haki effectively prevents that fruit to work on you. Its in that sense from this point on Paramecia Haki (or legendary Zoans) users are most likelly to be top tier if it augments your combat ability. If Marco was a more central character he pretty much would wreck every single character in One Piece, given his power and devil fruit combo.

That wasn't the point I was making. I meant Doflamingo's fact rings true its just that Vergo was an idiot and too cocky to realise that Law could have surpassed him in Haki control. We've established that most powerful characters seem to be able to tell how strong a persons will is (this might even be a way that the Mantra Haki manifests).

Superbuu3 wrote:

That wasn't the point I was making.  I meant Doflamingo's fact rings true its just that Vergo was an idiot and too cocky to realise that Law could have surpassed him in Haki control.  We've established that most powerful characters seem to be able to tell how strong a persons will is (this might even be a way that the Mantra Haki manifests).

It may well be true, but it wasn't just Vergo being an idiot, Doflamingo also thought Vergo would simply tank it. I don't believe that Vergo was an absolute top-tier haki user, but he was clearly relatively high-level, based on his showings, various statements, and his nickname "Demon Bamboo".

Well yeah, but high level haki users could tank the attack. I'm sure doflamingo and the admiral guy won't be cut by him unless they get their ass beat by luffy first or something.

I suspect a lot of DF abilities wouldn't work against opponents at that kind of level though, and if you're talking about admiral tier, or as-close-to-as-makes-no-difference, then that's a very select few, even in the new World.

SimianWonder wrote:

I suspect a lot of DF abilities wouldn't work against opponents at that kind of level though, and if you're talking about admiral tier, or as-close-to-as-makes-no-difference, then that's a very select few, even in the new World.

You think?

The shichubukai should be around admiral tier, then the yonkou. Then you got these higher ups in the world government we know next ot nothing about. The first mates of all the strong crews. The supernova are all getting there to.

Then on top of that we got drilldo head and some other random dudes. There's likely going to be a lot of random strong individuals around the needn't be affiliated with one organisation or another. Remember there's super nova every year since gold roger's execution. Sure we haven't seen many but we don't know whats going to be pulled out later on.

Superbuu3 wrote:

You think?

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have said it!

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The shichubukai should be around admiral tier,

Slow down a moment there. Given what we've seen of their members, the strengths of the Schichibukai can vary wildly. Lest you forget, Buggy is a shichi now, and he's a joke. Literally. Croc and Moriah too, whilst very strong for their respective arcs, are not even close to top-tier in the grand scheme of things. Still, I won't deny that the likes of Kuma and Mihawk do legitimately seem to be top-tier, though I suspect they're the exception rather than the rule, and whilst Boa has had some good showings, she's not really fought anyone of note besides Smoker. Doflamingo is clearly not quite on the level of an admiral, but still seems a very real threat to the likes of Luffy and Law.

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then the yonkou.  

All of whom you'd expect to be more-or-less admiral-tier, with the possible exception of Blackbeard, simply because last time we saw him he still ran away from Akainu. He may have gotten a lot stronger in post TS of course.

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Then you got these higher ups in the world government we know next ot nothing about.

We know next to nothing about them, including whether or not they're strong, so they don't count one way or the other yet. Given the information provided in the latest chapter about the founding of the WG, I'd tend to assume they're where they are because of their birth rather than because they're terrifyingly strong.  

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The first mates of all the strong crews. The supernova are all getting there to.

I'd disagree to be honest. The Supernovae themselves are having to band together to fight the Yonkou, suggesting they'd have little chance on their own.

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Then on top of that we got drilldo head and some other random dudes.  There's likely going to be a lot of random strong individuals around the needn't be affiliated with one organisation or another.  Remember there's super nova every year since gold roger's execution.  Sure we haven't seen many but we don't know whats going to be pulled out later on.

Yeah, there'll be a lot of strong guys, but there's a lot of room between "strong" and "admiral-tier", which was my original point. The top pool is going to be small, maybe a dozen or so people.

Doflamingo has conquerors will though. That alone makes him top tier. He also had a better showing in the war arc than Mihawk, remember he didn't even get a scratch on him and thats something only he and Boa managed. It could be argued Mihawk didn't get scratched either but he certainly was sseen to be struggling with likes of whitebeards crew.

I really doubt that the like of the division commanders haven't got high level haki. You also need to keep in mind the Yonkou is of equal power as the shichubukai and admirals. Another point is that Whitebeards army alone was enough to taken on the power of the full marines. If the yonkou worked together they would wreck the marines. We also have no real point of reference for how strong whitebeard was compard to his prime. Even in a considerably weakened state where he couldn't sense attacks like normal or use his conquerors will he was still wrecking everything on his own. If the crews were something the marines would deal with as soon as some of the pirates ere on a trip away from a yonkou they'd just annhilate the weak ones.

Also another point of reference a newbie in shanks crew had a bounty just shy of a supernova. Like thats a rookie on his ship, can you imagine the experience and power that people in his crew have gone through,

Crocodile is a strange one he still stood up to some strong guys so I don't think there's any reasaon to believe he's not stronger then his first showing. Him losing the will to fight played a large part in that fight against luffy don't forget he beat luffy twice and the third fight loss seemed plot induced.

Croc is top tier. Luffy is a cheater.