Virtua Fighter 5 Showdown

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

All that means is that I'm a noob too. Which is pretty much true. I know one character well, and there's 3 or 4 others I kind of know. If I pick any other characters I might as well be playing the game for the first time.

Then don't buy VF5, you won't be able to handle it at all.

Either way your more of a noob then me. You were pulling off high level cancels in SSF4 without a grasp of basic gameplay. You were the person i got all my win streak trophies off .

As well as my online tekken trophies lol.

But I thought you said VF was all about dedicating yourself to a single character?

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

But I thought you said VF was all about dedicating yourself to a single character?

It is but if you struggle to get good at fighting games you'll end up struglling with this and end up getting frustrated super quick. I mean if i got into tekken i could pick up any character i wanted i could get good with any of them. VF doesn't work like that, you just might not be good enough to pick up some characters.

That said if you choose to master a easy character you should be ok. Just stay away from characters like akira.

I'm gonna main Kage most likely just because he's a ninja. I fiddled with akira a bit but you can see he needs stupid amounts of dedication he's supposed to be the best character in game to althoughi'm not sure if thats only because he's so hard to master, that people aren't used to fighting a good oone or something.

It's more that I just don't get on with 2D fighters. Don't know why. 3D ones I can enjoy even if I'm crap at them. I'm going to try to force myself to get into 3rd Strike though.

Anyway, depending on what else is coming out at the time, how expensive this is, and how big it is, I might get it. Hopefully there's a demo. I doubt I'll get SC5 or SFxT on release, so that's not a problem, and I highly doubt Tag 2 will by the time this is.

I could always buy VF5 used for a couple quid to try it out I suppose.

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

It's more that I just don't get on with 2D fighters. Don't know why. 3D ones I can enjoy even if I'm crap at them. I'm going to try to force myself to get into 3rd Strike though.

Anyway, depending on what else is coming out at the time, how expensive this is, and how big it is, I might get it. Hopefully there's a demo. I doubt I'll get SC5 or SFxT on release, so that's not a problem, and I highly doubt Tag 2 will by the time this is.

I could always buy VF5 used for a couple quid to try it out I suppose.

That would be the smart thing to do.

I played my bros game a bit and thats all the time i had with it. I could tell it would be deeply satisying to master. You'll also appreciate it as a martial arts fan as the moves are pretty much all legit.

Out of all these fighting games i'm probably getting UMvC3, SFvT, and VF5. I miht pick up TTT2 but i'll do a coin toss between that and TvSF, i assume those games will be really similar.

TxSF won't be coming for ages yet. If it releases within a year of TTT2 I'll be shocked. We don't know whether it'll be a tag game or not yet either.

i hope my friend will find these for a bargain cause i ?3 Lili

Buu you seriously need to stop bashing Namco's fighters. Tekken 6 is the best 3d fighting game at the moment and, regardless of what you may think about it, it has tremendous depth. While it is more accessible and newb-friendly, the skill ceiling is very high and that explains why even 5 years after its original release it's still one of the most popular games in Japanese arcades. Also, if you think Tekken has easy execution perhaps you should pick the Mishimas or try the characters' most damaging juggles. I honestly doubt there's anything in VF harder than Kazuya's CH d/f2 ---> EWGF.

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So, I searched a bit to find what makes VF so hard. Apparently it's the execution of certain characters/moves and what the Japanese call "yomi"; basically there's a big number of options available at any time and you have to "read" your opponent's mind to out-predict him. Sounds fun.

I came across a tier list too:

Spoiler:

Also, the intros and the customization look absolutely crazy:

Blair Waldorf wrote:

Buu you seriously need to stop bashing Namco's fighters. Tekken 6 is the best 3d fighting game at the moment and, regardless of what you may think about it, it has tremendous depth. While it is more accessible and newb-friendly, the skill ceiling is very high and that explains why even 5 years after its original release it's still one of the most popular games in Japanese arcades. Also, if you think Tekken has easy execution perhaps you should pick the Mishimas or try the characters' most damaging juggles. I honestly doubt there's anything in VF harder than Kazuya's CH d/f2 ---> EWGF.

Its hard to be top tier in anything. But when people use characters like Bob in competition a characters who is supposed to be easy to learn. I'm hardly going to consider Tekken as a difficult game. Virtua fighter is one of the most balanced games tournament fighters have won with pretty much every character. There's none of this best character business.

Lets also put this in perspective you were ranked the 10th best Steve in the world.

I'd like to see you get anywhere near top 10 in the world on either street fighter or virtua fighter with any character.

It certainly won't happen with VF5.

Besides i think tekken 6 is a weak follow up to 5. SC series just han't been as good since SC.

That only really happens in the west. If you want to see Tekken played at it's best you need to watch the Koreans play it.

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

That only really happens in the west. If you want to see Tekken played at it's best you need to watch the Koreans play it.

Because a game is more balanced if only certain regions abuse the easy characters...

I'm just going to call MvC3 balanced and say its only because a few people decide to abuse sentinel and dark phoenix that it looks like its not.

You can argue VF is less fun, because its less noob friendly you can't pick up and play and you won't lose to casuals full stop even if they are very good at mashing. But the games not about flash its a sim.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Its hard to be top tier in anything. But when people use characters like Bob in competition a characters who is supposed to be easy to learn. I'm hardly going to consider Tekken as a difficult game.

Bob may be easy to learn, but if you don't have the basics down and know nothing about your opponent's character you will still lose badly. Tekken 6 has no character dominating at high-level of play.

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Lets also put this in perspective you were ranked the 10th best Steve in the world.

Online is a joke and that actually happened during the first month of T6's release when I was just mashing and throwing random moves against equally clueless people.
I'm fucking terrible to be honest, but so are 99% of the players playing online.

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Besides i think tekken 6 is a weak follow up to 5. SC series just han't been as good since SC.

Tekken fans generally agree that T6:BR is the best Tekken so far. T5:DR is the second best and best SC game is SC2.

Superbuu3 wrote:

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

That only really happens in the west. If you want to see Tekken played at it's best you need to watch the Koreans play it.

Because a game is more balanced if only certain regions abuse the easy characters...

It's more balanced because it's actually balanced at the very top levels of play, which you only really see from the Koreans and Japanese. Bob's pretty broken at certain level, just like Eddy or Baek or hella easy to abuse at a certain level.

Doesn't the fact you were button mashing with steve not prove my point?

I haven't played VF5 online, but if you played SSF4 online as a button masher you'd get beaten by pretty much anyone, who isn't a button masher.

As far as what the Namco fan base think, i guess i'm that retro guy. The main bulk of that fanbase is probably too young to have been playing tekken and soul blade back when both those series were back in the arcades. Sure there a lot of old people there but they don't account for the masses buying what is considered the pretty looking game thats out there now.

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

That only really happens in the west. If you want to see Tekken played at it's best you need to watch the Koreans play it.

Because a game is more balanced if only certain regions abuse the easy characters...

It's more balanced because it's actually balanced at the very top levels of play, which you only really see from the Koreans and Japanese. Bob's pretty broken at certain level, just like Eddy or Baek or hella easy to abuse at a certain level.

A truly balanced game is balanced at all levels of play.

There is no such game.

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

There is no such game.

Well when this is out we'll see.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Doesn't the fact you were button mashing with steve not prove my point?

No, it just proves that decent players don't play online. Playing Tekken online is like playing a different game: you can't break throws, block as well on reaction, punish your opponent's unsafe stuff, etc.

Moose's point was that Tekken is so deep that only Koreans and Japanese have truly mastered it. American Bobs (or Japanese Bobs who are even better than American ones) lose all the time:







As you can see he's not an unbeatable character. And did you miss the tier list of the latest version of VF5 that I posted above? Akira having his own tier doesn't make the game look so balanced. Jacky is close to the top and he is known for being a very easy character (like Tekken's Bob) too.

Blair Waldorf wrote:

As you can see he's not an unbeatable character. And did you miss the tier list of the latest version of VF5 that I posted above? Akira having his own tier doesn't make the game look so balanced. Jacky is close to the top and he is known for being a very easy character (like Tekken's Bob) too.

Akira is also by far the hardest to master. Not playing high level players using a certain character would leave you vulnerable to there attacks.

I'll just leave this here for moose

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?search=tekken+6&numrev=3&site=

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?search=virtua+fighter+5&numrev=3&site=

LMAO, BD you getting this now?

http://andriasang.com/comler/vf5_final_showdown/

probably not i've never found VF characters attractive, plus i quit the series when i realised how much i suck dick at this game. i forgot how to use everyone of the characters i play regularly between the release of 3 and 4

Wow i never thought the best player at VF5 would have such a strong american accent:

This comes out June 5th for £10. It also launches with DLC customisation packs for each character, some of which (probably the female ones) have nearly 1000 items. So I'm guessing the game itself has no customisation options and they're all being sold separately. There's 2 packs for £10 that covers everything, or individual character packs for £3.60. So £30 for the "complete" package, which isn't too bad I guess. June's already a loaded month for me though, not sure if I'll get it. Hopefully there'll be a trial.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-14-virtua-fighter-5-final-showdown-release-date-price-announced

i'll wait like two weeks i'm sure they'll do a sale like immediately after.