First off, it's a good film. Not amazing, but good. If you haven't read Watchmen, it's set in an alternate America in 1985 where "costumed heroes" became something of a trend in the 40's and 50's, and a second generation took over in the 60's and 70's, but they were eventually outlawed because people didn't like 'em that much. One of them, Rorschach, continues his work despite the law though. And when one of the former heroes is killed, he suspects a major plot and sets out to uncover it.
What I can't figure out is whether having read the graphic novel first made the film more or less enjoyable. A lot of scenes throughout the first 2/3 of the film felt rushed to me, but that might only be because they're shorter than their counterparts in the book. Or it could be that they actually are rushed, and details are glossed over, and it'd be hard to follow for someone who doesn't know the story already. Or not. You get the idea.
It's also not helped by having quite a few characters with stories and histories to set up, so for a while the story felt a little chaotic. It really does try to lay in all the main plot points from the comic, but a film can't really take as much time to do that, so if you haven't read Watchmen before I got the feeling it'd all be a bit too much to take in in the given time. But then, I can't really say that for sure.
Basically, if you haven't read Watchmen, then I think keeping up with everything might be problematic (assuming I'm not just over-estimating the source material). But if you can follow it things should be fine. It's a good film, like I said. It's well acted, interesting characters and story, all that jazz. The action won't be to everyone's liking. All the characters fight scenes are pretty over the top, which detracted from certain story elements for me (although again, without knowing the story beforehand this probably wouldn't be an issue). The slow motion stuff isn't that frequent either. The violence/gore seems pretty out of place at times too. One scene that I thought used the action style well though was the opening, although I can't really say why I liked it as much without giving away big spoilers. So... (Even if you have read the book you might not want to read this, it might spoil the film for you a bit)
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Having read the comic and knowing about Adrian from the start, it's pretty awesome to see how he moves. There's also an awesome precursor to the bullet catch where the Comedian thrown a knife at him and he catches it by the handle. It really sells his physical perfection, which as detail isn't really ever brought up in the film. That's what I was talking about with the action in general. Everyone fights like that. I know they're all trained crime fighters and stuff, but Veidt's ability and prowess is a much bigger point in the book. That's why the first fight scene worked so well, because at that point I hadn't scene the other characters fight. They're all amazing, and so in the end when Veidt kicks their asses it's just... something that happens.
Anyway, for those who have read it... It's a pretty faithful adaptation. Yes, there are changes, some big, some small, but they all felt pretty organic to the story as it was portrayed in the film. No changes felt forced or had any real impact on the overall story, in fact if felt like the only reason changes were made was to compact the story so it would fit into a film. Scenes are shorter than in the book, various smaller (and some larger) details are left out or glossed over a bit, lines of dialogue are switched around in various places to set up the characters faster, etc. Of course the film doesn't have the luxury of sticking chapters from books written by the characters in between scenes like the graphic novel, so stuff like that is expected.
Some things were more disappointing that others, of course. Rorschach's psychiatry stuff was chopped down a lot. But most of the main scenes make it in fairly intact.
Although, you could feel differently of course. Some of it did feel too shortened, such as the scene on Mars, where everything seemed to happen a bit too easily. But the basic core of the scene was there.
However, there was one change that really stuck out to me, and that I wish wasn't there. And that change was (spoilers for the film and the book up ahead)...
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...No, it wasn't that they left the squid out. Like I said that felt fine within the confines of the movie and it doesn't have much of an impact at all on how the story unfolds. What irked me was that Veidt and Manhattan's last little ominous talk before Manhattan leaves Earth was removed and replaced with a scene where Dan gets to beat up Veidt and call his plan a joke.
Basically the plot now ends like this. Everyone realises they have to keep quiet about Veidt's plan, except Rorschach of course. He leaves, and Dan follows him outside, where he sees Manhattan kill him. Manhattan is inside as well, saying goodbye to Laurie. He kisses her as he teleports away, and Dan walks in just in time to see this. He gets all pissed and starts beating up Veidt, and Veidt lets him. Dan says Veidt has deformed humanity in his effort to attain peace, and that that's "the real practical joke".
I suppose the scene is there just to have Dan look a bit macho, whereas in the comic he just kind of accepts it, forgets about Rorschach, and then he and Laurie have sex right there (which doesn't happen in the film, but they have a good long sex scene in Archie while "Hallelujah" plays).
Other than that I didn't mind the changes at all.
There were actually some things I enjoyed more about the film. An example would be Dan and Laurie's relationship and motivations. They actually come off a little bit worse than they did on the book, being shown more as thrill seekers than heroes. That's probably due to the compressed story too. With a more laboured story, their actions feel more justified. In the film though...
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Laurie comes off as more of a bitch. The amount of time it takes her to move from Manhattan to Dan is cut down, and it plays into her character well. Same with Dan. There's less time spent seeing him as a regular guy, less of a sense that he actually wanted to be some kind of ideal hero, and more time spent seeing him in costume and enjoying himself. Seeing him smile after beating up a bunch of guys makes to appear as kind of a douche. Laurie too. The whole thing of her mother forcing her into hero-ing isn't a major point in the film, so they both come across as people who are in it for the kicks more than anything else. Which is pretty enjoyable to watch, and it makes up for some of the missing stuff in the film.
The music also seems to something of an issue. There's quite a few times in the film where a scene transition is made with a song, and not all of them work. This can mean bizarre emotional shifts from one scene to another, and an awkward feeling of not knowing what the tone a scene in supposed to be, which often results in those little nervous laughs. One prime example would be when the Vietnam scenes start and Ride of the Valkyries starts playing. It just doesn't fit in the film.
But, overall, a good film. The actors do their respective characters justice, as does the script I'd say. Of note is Matthew Goode, who's getting the most heat from fans for being miscast, mostly because of his physique. But I thought he did well. His build looks fine in the film and he plays it well. Haley is good Rorschach too, even though he was hard to understand at times. A solid 7/10 I'd say.
And yes, you see Manhattan's junk multiple times.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:34 pm
Oh, there's also the extra uncut super special edition DVD thing coming up at some point, which an apparent crap load of extra stuff that wasn't in the theatrical version. Maybe that'll be a little better.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:54 pm
Manhattan's junk? Why not just say you see his cock?
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:55 pm
Junk seemed funnier.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:43 am
Is the scene where Rorschach snaps still in?
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:44 am
The one where he "becomes" Rorschach? Yeah, it's in, although it's slightly different.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:46 am
How so? Don't worry about spoilers, I'm never gonna go see the movie.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:49 am
Spoiler:
Instead of cuffing the guy to the stove and setting the place on fire, he cuffs him to the stove and takes a meat cleaver to his head. Several times.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:52 am
Welp.
Maybe it's because Saw nicked the concept already.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:54 am
Yeah, possibly.
So why won't you ever see the film?
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:00 am
I'm just not that interested in seeing it; but I'll watch it if I happen to catch it on TV in a couple of months.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:02 am
And:
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:22 am
An odd little detail in the film was that Adrian had a folder on his desktop named "Boys"...
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:04 pm
Fuck.
I can't tell whether I liked this movie or not.
On one hand, Rorschach is a badass.
On the other hand, I fucking hated most of Manhattan's scenes. And part of the reason IS because you can see his cock.
And on another hand, I should probably read the comics.
The movie was good, but I could've done without it.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:30 pm
DevilKingBaal wrote:
The movie was good, but I could've done without it.
Yeah, I wouldn't call it a must-see movie.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:44 am
Baal Shut Up and Jam
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:48 pm
I'm still pissed that Rorschach
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dies.
He's my favorite character, and easily the best out of the entire group. The Comedian is good too.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:32 am
I liked Manhattan and Veidt the most after reading the comic. Rorschach does jump out in the film though.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:33 am
Veidt was a bastard to me. Peace is fine, but obtained through such means?
No. Nuh-uh, that doesn't settle well with me buddy.
And Manhattan's just fucking boring. I've got nothing wrong with the character, he's just so boring.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:38 am
By the by, is the 'Did it 35 minutes ago' line still in?
Is it as glorious as it is in the comic?
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:39 am
Yeah, that line is in.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:58 am
To be exact, it's now "I triggered it 35 minutes ago", and it didn't seem as good to me, but then I knew it was coming.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:03 am
Does he still build it up with 'I'm not a republic serial villain' etc.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:04 am
Yeah.
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Subject: Re: So... Watchmen Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:05 am