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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:21 pm | |
| Yeah I have those, an damn i just realised. I don't have the avalon ones. I'm going to have to go 1/99 now. Oh well I needed to unlock more avalon stuff and to get all the costumes there's a crapload of avalon mages you need to get to S rank. If its the same as the first game they look creepy in avalon. Its a shame there's no Grim equivalent. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:24 pm | |
| Best build for Sanctuarium would be something like 58/42 - that's enough to give you Divine Arm IV, opening up 99% of your Sigils, giving you excellent defence and serious attack power.
So far, the only ally I have at S rank is Sympatha, though Aegrus isn't far behind. They're both pretty great really, healing me (and each other) and able to beat lower ranked difficulty bosses almost on their own. How do I know? I left them alone with a level 6 Cyclops and they had it in the red before I finished it off. That was unexpected given that most AI allies in games are incompetent at best. | |
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:29 pm | |
| - SimianWonder wrote:
- Best build for Sanctuarium would be something like 58/42 - that's enough to give you Divine Arm IV, opening up 99% of your Sigils, giving you excellent defence and serious attack power.
So far, the only ally I have at S rank is Sympatha, though Aegrus isn't far behind. They're both pretty great really, healing me (and each other) and able to beat lower ranked difficulty bosses almost on their own. How do I know? I left them alone with a level 6 Cyclops and they had it in the red before I finished it off. That was unexpected given that most AI allies in games are incompetent at best. Aegrus is amazing. Calixto is a bit iffy he kept dying on me on a gemini 12 star boss. The odd thing about that is Aegrus should have much lower defence. Aegrus is probably one of my favourite characters in the game though. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:43 pm | |
| Yeah, he's a beast. He and Sympatha complement each other very well, quite fitting given their relationship in-game, and even more so when you remember his actions at the end of the main story. - Spoiler:
He leaves Sanctuarium with the world on its knees, Sanctuarium's own members losing faith. Just when it looks like Sympatha is genuinely losing faith herself, about to be set upon by her last few followers, Aegrus returns, defeating and sacrificing all those who had become monsters. Why? Because he truly believed in everything Sympatha and Sanctuarium stand for and was willing to sully his own body (by sacrificing monsters again, despite having sworn never to do so again) to avoid her having to do the same.
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:48 pm | |
| - SimianWonder wrote:
- Yeah, he's a beast. He and Sympatha complement each other very well, quite fitting given their relationship in-game, and even more so when you remember his actions at the end of the main story.
- Spoiler:
He leaves Sanctuarium with the world on its knees, Sanctuarium's own members losing faith. Just when it looks like Sympatha is genuinely losing faith herself, about to be set upon by her last few followers, Aegrus returns, defeating and sacrificing all those who had become monsters. Why? Because he truly believed in everything Sympatha and Sanctuarium stand for and was willing to sully his own body (by sacrificing monsters again, despite having sworn never to do so again) to avoid her having to do the same.
That scene makes the entire games story a lot cooler to. Especially when you realise who you are. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:03 pm | |
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I assume you're referring to the shared name of trapped prisoner in the cage (the one reading Librom) and the final surviving member of Sanctuarium once Aegrus is done with them? My initial assumption was that the player character is their son, but that's based solely on the surname found on the spine of the book in his cage; he could simply be a brother or another relation of the same bloodline.
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:34 pm | |
| - SimianWonder wrote:
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I assume you're referring to the shared name of trapped prisoner in the cage (the one reading Librom) and the final surviving member of Sanctuarium once Aegrus is done with them? My initial assumption was that the player character is their son, but that's based solely on the surname found on the spine of the book in his cage; he could simply be a brother or another relation of the same bloodline.
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Pretty much he is likely the brother or son (aka the fourth Lenixion). Its pretty cool when you think about it. I'm also curious if we're suppose to assume that the memory issues that Magusar has is because he absorbs Persapius, which is likely to happen in any continuity considering that happens preillusion. There's lot of other tidbits if you think about it to. For example SS Delta is in actuality a sequel. The sorceror you play in SS sacrifices Magusar and is the magusar from SS Delta.
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:43 pm | |
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I figured that Delta is a recursion of Vanilla SS, and that pre-revision you essentially are Delta's Magusar, hence why the name on the spine of the book disappears if you select pre-revision. Magusar's memory problems aren't that at all - it's just that thanks to the recursion, he's one body containing likely tens if not hundreds of thousands of souls - Persapius and all previous Magusars included - and his glimpses of the future are simply old memories of the recursion.
The main story mechanic isn't exactly new, Mass Effect did something similar, as did The Matrix, but it was done in a way that remained interesting throughout, even if I was genuinely gutted when Sortiara showed up again, only to fade away, and Similia gives her life for you, her only real friend.
Incidentally, I see what you mean about levelling quickly - I prestige, then used one of the XXL rumours on a high level mob. Five missions later, I'm at level 87 and while the XXL rumour is now used up, I really don't have far to go before I can prestige again and start the process again. In fact, you might even say that's an eternal recursion in itself...
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:44 pm | |
| - SimianWonder wrote:
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I figured that Delta is a recursion of Vanilla SS, and that pre-revision you essentially are Delta's Magusar, hence why the name on the spine of the book disappears if you select pre-revision. Magusar's memory problems aren't that at all - it's just that thanks to the recursion, he's one body containing likely tens if not hundreds of thousands of souls - Persapius and all previous Magusars included - and his glimpses of the future are simply old memories of the recursion.
The main story mechanic isn't exactly new, Mass Effect did something similar, as did The Matrix, but it was done in a way that remained interesting throughout, even if I was genuinely gutted when Sortiara showed up again, only to fade away, and Similia gives her life for you, her only real friend.
Incidentally, I see what you mean about levelling quickly - I prestige, then used one of the XXL rumours on a high level mob. Five missions later, I'm at level 87 and while the XXL rumour is now used up, I really don't have far to go before I can prestige again and start the process again. In fact, you might even say that's an eternal recursion in itself... - Spoiler:
I assumed Vanilla SS was what the typical recursion was, basically the endless cycle. Delta was the exception to the rule. I mean if you consider that then persapius was always absorbed by Magusar, he always had to be considering no one else would've been close enough to challenge magusar. The only reason I say that is because when the world is reborn that is the point that magusar loses everything and is basically reset. So he has memories from that point onwards. I mean he forgets everything pre-recursion, but also the magusar after the worlds rebirth is going to be a much weaker mage as well he likely was reset from the persapius situation. Perwsapius also mentions he can gain new memories at a price of losing spells.
Lol ok that could be a lot more waffly then i wanted it to be and i'm not sure if it makes sense.
I wouldn't recommend wasting XXL scrolls unless you are specifically trying to level up (at the beginning and close to the end). The last few levels are more of a drag if not a lot more doable, but there's craploads of easier levels you need to get through to to get all the spells. I mean if you think about it once your magic level is about 20 with your current build you're a killing machine. But do it whichever way you're more comfortable with. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:35 pm | |
| I'm just trying to prestige quickly, trying to get a few Heart Sigils in the bank before settling for a final build. I'll try and get a couple for each faction, but will likely settle on Sanctuarium for the end-game build. | |
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:39 pm | |
| - SimianWonder wrote:
- I'm just trying to prestige quickly, trying to get a few Heart Sigils in the bank before settling for a final build.
Which ones you maxing? I'm gonna do blood and spear. I'll likely do weapon for Grim not sure what sigil i like for Avalon they all seem crap. I want every spell an sigil so i'm going to play all three. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:00 pm | |
| I'll max Spear and Blitz most likely, but will try and get at least level one Heart Sigils for all the basic offerings. | |
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:02 pm | |
| - SimianWonder wrote:
- I'll max Spear and Blitz most likely, but will try and get at least level one Heart Sigils for all the basic offerings.
You can ignore ones like the summon one those look completely useless they don't add power. But you're right there's no point in maxing a lot of the other things. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:28 pm | |
| Yeah, I used a couple of Summon offerings and they were garbage - most Archfiends can dispel them almost instantly by simply using their roar attacks. Not sure I'll get the healing Heart Sigils either come to think of it. The amount of healing the Offerings do has never been an issue, it's always been running out of uses! | |
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:52 pm | |
| Abyssal beads are good for extra damage, though i would never make a build basedd around them. Hopefully another useful summon shows up. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:27 pm | |
| Only fought the Abyssal Fiend once, got an Arm Offering from him. Don't really like Arms, they're too slow, hence opting for Weapons or Spears instead when I started playing. | |
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:32 pm | |
| Check ars magica there seems to be a lot of blitz spells from bosses, i've only got a couple i can confirm bahamut drops one. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:39 pm | |
| I was checking my listings, and I've not fought Bahamut yet. I fact, there are a few enemy types I've not yet encountered. Must be a lot of late-game enemies hiding in tougher missions, yes? | |
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:13 pm | |
| - SimianWonder wrote:
- I was checking my listings, and I've not fought Bahamut yet. I fact, there are a few enemy types I've not yet encountered. Must be a lot of late-game enemies hiding in tougher missions, yes?
Bahamut is weird. I didn't see him at all. He's stalking me now though. He's jumped me 4 times today and no consistensy in mission or difficulty type he just seems to be completely random, although he only showed up on stages with a boss. Maybe it has something to do with my character level though i'm prestige 20 now. Oh and my intelligence is 70+. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:36 pm | |
| Where are you getting enough offerings to have that level of Intelligence? | |
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:43 pm | |
| - SimianWonder wrote:
- Where are you getting enough offerings to have that level of Intelligence?
Playing through the game. I've done all debt pacts, all story pacts. finished 6 of the online pacts. Done blank pages to. Only done like 2 alice runs, but that got me a crap load of stuff. If you need help getting stuff just ask. | |
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SimianWonder Simian D. Wonder
Posts : 6439 Joined : 2008-10-12 Age : 44 Location : Old People's home
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:05 pm | |
| I've clocked up 80 hours, though it doesn't feel like anything like as many - the sure sign of a really enjoyable game - but I'm starting to wind down I think. There's a lot of late-game content I haven't touched yet, but I'm not sure If I can dedicate another fifty or so hours to getting stronger offerings when my current set up is so effective.
Maybe another couple of attempts at Alice's dungeon, then I'll have to reduce my play time to clear my now legendary back log. | |
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Superbuu3 Raziel
Posts : 41040 Joined : 2008-07-31 Age : 2023 Location : Nosgoth
| Subject: Re: Soul Sacrifice and SS Delta Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:39 pm | |
| - SimianWonder wrote:
- I've clocked up 80 hours, though it doesn't feel like anything like as many - the sure sign of a really enjoyable game - but I'm starting to wind down I think. There's a lot of late-game content I haven't touched yet, but I'm not sure If I can dedicate another fifty or so hours to getting stronger offerings when my current set up is so effective.
Maybe another couple of attempts at Alice's dungeon, then I'll have to reduce my play time to clear my now legendary back log. Have you not got black offerings? I'm guessing if i use a huge stack of assult offerings we can plow through the alice dungeon. Last I played I was using Grim (think i'm prestige 30+) only my blood sigil is maxed i got 3 or 4 in a few others, probably the melee optio for each class (i really hate the avalon arm). I would be playing this more i just haven't got time any more. | |
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