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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:36 pm
Aaaaand, there we go. Done.
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Got The Illusive Man to pull a Saren, though to be honest I could see it coming. Anderson dies from his injuries, while Shepard then proceeds upwards to be presented with his choices. Actually though, having tried all three they're pretty similar and it would have been nice to have had a Dragon Age Origins style epilogue showing briefly what happened to everyone else.
Did I hate the ending? No. Was it completely satisfying? No. I'd have liked a chance to bask in my glory, and I wanted to see Shepard and Liara's little blue children. It's also a bit of a kick in the nuts that after finishing, the game loads up just prior to the attack on Cerberus HQ, essentially denying you all the progress made in ht efinal three hours or so of the game.
Finally, I find myself liking the Indoctrination fan-theory. Makes a fair bit of sense when you think about it.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:36 am
simian before you call it final check it
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Apparently my friend upped his galactic readiness so he had over 6000 power and when he destroyed the reapers he got a part after the initial destruction showing part of shepherds armor and his arm and the arm moved before it cut off idk if this is absolute truth but i plan to find out
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:42 am
xalas wrote:
simian before you call it final check it
Spoiler:
Apparently my friend upped his galactic readiness so he had over 6000 power and when he destroyed the reapers he got a part after the initial destruction showing part of shepherds armor and his arm and the arm moved before it cut off idk if this is absolute truth but i plan to find out
You need 5000 effective galactic readiness to get that ending but it's definitely true. Too bad Bioware lied about not having to play multiplayer to get every ending and I had to edit game files to get it.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:02 am
why would you edit the game files D= the multiplayer is a horde mode one of the best kind imo
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:29 am
Because I did not and will never spend money on Mass Effect 3.
It's a valid complaint even from a legitimate consumer perspective anyway, Bioware made a series of singple player games and added multiplayer to the third one. That's fine in itself, assuming none of the single player was negatively impacted because of it, but the fact remains that there's an established fanbase who likely don't give a damn about the multiplayer and don't want to be forced to play it just so that they can get the most out of the story.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:52 am
SimianWonder wrote:
Finally, I find myself liking the Indoctrination fan-theory. Makes a fair bit of sense when you think about it.
I like it myself too (I love alternate fan interpretations) but it is complete bullshit. If you destroy the collector base in ME2 and have a shitty enough EMS, it's possible to only be given the option to destroy the Reapers, which completely invalidates the theory that Shepard was indoctrinated.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:11 am
Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:29 am
The extended cut came out. It's free and it's 1.9 (!) GB.
Generally speaking, I liked it. The endings are still fundamentally flawed, but they managed to lessen the blow quite significantly and fix a lot of problems and discrepancies with the last half hour of the game.
They even added a new ending, though
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it's pretty much just a giant middle finger to all the people who complained about the ending. I can see why they made it so you couldn't win without accepting the three original choices (although their claims of artistic integrity are complete bullshit), but Bioware could have won some major brownie points with their fanbase by letting Shepard beat the odds one last time and emerge victorious. As it is now, it's just petulant and is basically the equivalent of them saying "You don't want to play by our rules? Fine, rocks fall and everyone dies."
I see no reason why Shepard couldn't have ordered Hackett to fire on his position, obliterating the Catalyst and crippling the Reapers just like with Saren and Sovereign. Even if they didn't want to do that, they could still put effort into showing the last stand of all of our friends and allies.
There are still problems, like how it's clear Mac Walters forgot that 'Reapers' is a term coined by the Protheans and that they completely neutered Harbinger's character (the scene where the Normandy evacuates your team while Harby just sits in the background doing nothing is absolutely retarded). Everything about the Starchild is still completely dumb, but it's better than what we originally got so we should be thankful for that at least.
You might as well download it while it's still free.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:40 am
I think it's sad that the new, extremely passive-aggressive "fuck you haters" ending is actually the best of the lot.
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Not that it's hard to be better than space magic but the fact that the entire series could just be one more step towards someone else actually defeating the reapers fits much better with the overall story from ME1 (the reapers really are that much stronger than Shepard and the other advanced races, ultimately you died but what you accomplished was still very important) as well as keeps the players choice meaning something (you chose to not give in to the reapers no matter the cost).
Also it gives Shepard the chance to call the SpaceBrat out on the fact that everything he said is complete bullshit and makes no sense.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:10 pm
Okay, just played through the final sections again to see the new endings, and I'm reasonably happy with what was delivered. Anyone expecting a full rewrite was deluding themselves, but we were given more clarity both visually and through extended dialogue options that seem to satisfy some, if not all, of the ambiguity the original endings left in their wake.
I also find myself really liking the new ending. It seems the most in character for my Shepard -
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Treating everything that the catalyst, a self-confessed ultimate Reaper tool, says with a hint of suspicion and mistrust, and basically telling him none of the options presented are acceptable before choosing to continue a war he knows damn well he can't win is just utterly bittersweet. Hell, even the catalyst acknowledges the solution will no longer work. It knows full well that the Reapers and their way of doing things is no longer going to work but it cannot break its own programming so it has to carry on regardless, even knowing that after billions of years the fall of the Reapers is inevitable at some point. Basically our cycle goes down as the Protheans did - after long centuries of hard fighting, but having left everything we know about the reapers behind for the next cycle to find and act on.
That's not to say I didn't get anything out of the other endings, I did, it's just this one really struck a chord with me.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:37 am
Alrighty then, just did the Extended Cut stuff now(EU/AUS ps3 peeps had to wait a week longer for the add-on for some reason).
Spoiler:
I honestly didn't know there was a new 4th ending. I just decided to shoot at the Star Child thingy for shits and then, holy shit, pissed off Satanic Reaper voice out of nowhere and everything gets shot straight to hell till the next Cycle fixed everything.
Dohohoho. Thaaaat's my Shepard.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:57 am
So I'm finally getting around to playing this, Grunt is the manliest motherfucker alive.
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I legitimately thought he was going to die holding off the Rachni (maybe I've been reading too much Song of Ice and Fire) but then he came through like a boss.
I liked him more than most in ME2, but my respect for him shot up. What a G.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:30 pm
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He can die in that scene if you were an ass to him in ME2 and didn't gain his loyalty.
But yeah, Grunt's awesome. Funny how Wrex and Grunt, despite being walking balls of anger and violence, still have have so much character. Say what you will about Bioware, but they know how to write some briliiant characters.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:28 am
Oh no Mordin! D:
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:34 am
Lord Skip wrote:
Oh no Mordin! D:
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:44 am
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At least he had a good death. "Had to be me, someone else might have got it wrong." and then humming Gilbert and Sullivan as the room blows up around him.
What a hero.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:41 pm
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It's heartbreaking if you're a full Renegade Shep. You betray the Krogan and attempt to sabotage the cure, but Mordin objects. Shep callously shoots Mordin in the back as he boards the elevator, and you watch Mordin drag himself, struggling for breath, across the floor towards the release panel, dying feet away from it. Never, ever, did Renegade make me feel more of an arsehole than that moment.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:03 pm
SimianWonder wrote:
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It's heartbreaking if you're a full Renegade Shep. You betray the Krogan and attempt to sabotage the cure, but Mordin objects. Shep callously shoots Mordin in the back as he boards the elevator, and you watch Mordin drag himself, struggling for breath, across the floor towards the release panel, dying feet away from it. Never, ever, did Renegade make me feel more of an arsehole than that moment.
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Yeah, see I was going for full Renegade but when it came down to it I couldn't bring myself to betray my Krogan bros. Only someone new to the serious could be so cold as to go full Renegade there.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:48 pm
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You don't have to be new to do it, but that sense of detachment sure does help. I forced myself to do a full renegade playthrough, knowing how hard some story decisions would be. Jesus though, I've never felt more like turning off and reloading a save than I did there.
ME3 has taken a lot of flack this year, some of deserved and most of it not, but at it's best it's still an emotional roller coaster and reached heights very few other games will come close to. I defy anyone to say otherwise.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:23 pm
Having spent three months away from ME3 whilst playing other titles, I've found myself going back through to finish my Insanity run. In the meantime, there've been a couple of new DLC multiplayer packs and the single Player piece, Leviathan, released, so I've got plenty to catch up with.
Again, to reiterate a point made earlier, ME3 is still an utterly fantastic game. Its finest moments sent shivers down my spine, and yes the ending is a little underwhelming, but that cannot detract from the magnificence that is 90% of the game. DLC wise, Leviathan is a hefty chunk of content with a pretty huge story pay off, even if the end result is - and this is one of the few genuine criticisms I'd have for the game as a whole - reduced to nothing more than a few EMS points. No, it won't ever alter the endgame now, that was obvious from the beginning, but it's a fun slice of combat with some neat upgrades and a varied set of missions leading towards a satisfying finale.
The new multiplayer classes are great too, adding a chunk more variety to proceedings and a new difficulty level, Platinum, which offers greater rewards but is a decent chunk harder than even gold, the previous toughest.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:27 am
I will agree that the best of ME3 was really good, but when you think about it all of that revolved around characters we already know and love like Wrex, Garrus, Grunt and Mordin. None of the new characters introduced like the soldier and the reporter (who are apparently so forgettable I've forgotten their names) were present in any of those. Also that awful ending etc. I don't regret playing it though, just for those great moments.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:39 pm
Id argue that the two stand-out moments of the game were Tuchanka and Rannoch, the pay off for careful management of your relationship with Krogan/Salarian (ok, the latter not so much) and Quarian/Geth. If you got those just so, it made you feel like a million bucks. The fact it was impossible to save everyone but knowing that you could give them the chance to die on their own terms was breathtaking.
Though yes, those moments did tend to focus on characters introduced in ME and ME2, the rather throwaway new introductions into ME3 never hitting quite the same giddy heights. I may be wrong, but I'd imagine I'll remember the likes of Garrus and Wrex fondly for many, many years to come.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:50 pm
SimianWonder wrote:
Id argue that the two stand-out moments of the game were Tuchanka and Rannoch, the pay off for careful management of your relationship with Krogan/Salarian (ok, the latter not so much) and Quarian/Geth. If you got those just so, it made you feel like a million bucks. The fact it was impossible to save everyone but knowing that you could give them the chance to die on their own terms was breathtaking.
Though yes, those moments did tend to focus on characters introduced in ME and ME2, the rather throwaway new introductions into ME3 never hitting quite the same giddy heights. I may be wrong, but I'd imagine I'll remember the likes of Garrus and Wrex fondly for many, many years to come.
I know what you mean, Tuchanka was my favourite mission and
as if people really haven't played this yet, but spoilered anyway:
I just couldn't stab Wrex in the back.
I also screwed up Rannoch quite immensely, apparently I had done something not totally correct in ME2 which caused terrible things to happen.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:27 pm
I was worried I'd screw up on Rannoch, but it worked out in the end.
Spoiler:
And no, I couldn't betray Wrex either. Nor could I shoot Mordin, even on my full Renegade playthrough.
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Subject: Re: Neo's Mass Effect 3 Comments, Almost Mostly Spoiler Free and Tinged With Hatred Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:11 pm
A few months after release it may be, but I finally picked up the final piece of DLC, titled "Citadel". It revolves around the crew of the Normandy getting some well-deserved shore leave, and things going a bit tits up. As they are wont to do, it seems. There are new mini-games, including a combat arena that offers extra challenges, which is bloody good fun, and while there is a story, it's basically a flimsy excuse to give the franchise the send off it truly deserves, featuring every playable character making at least a cameo, and giving you Wrex as a playable character for the duration. And everyone loves Wrex, right? The crew gets to treat the whole thing as a bit of a joke, despite the actual seriousness of the situation, it's simply part and parcel of things for them now.
There's also a hell of a lot of fan service and lampshading; Wrex and Grunt having a comical debate about which of them is stronger, then having an exchange with Shepard consisting of nothing but "Shepard." "Wrex." "Grunt." "Shepard." "Grunt." "Wrex." "Shepaaaaaard," Shepard talking about how often he says "I should go", and being genuinely mortified when everyone points out he says it at the end of every conversation, and everyone getting completely shit-faced. Grunt rocking gently in the shower is a sight I'll never forget, let alone when you find out what happened when he actually managed to gather himself a bit - C-Sec were not amused -, Zaeed hitting on Samara, Tali laying incoherent on the floor of the toilet, and there's so much quotable dialogue, Wrex uttering the surely soon-to-be-infamous "This is why I love hanging out with you guys. Why shoot something once when you can shoot it another 46 times?"
I could go on for days. As I said above, gameplay wise it does nothing new, but it's a fantastic feel-good send off for Shepard and his / her crew. Quite frankly, I'd be utterly content to replay the game again until the point of no return, do this DLC and leave it there. The very last dialogue exchange uttered sums up Mass effect quite succinctly;
"It's been a hell of a ride." "Yes it has."
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