Theoretical Bullshit

I was talking to a guy last night at a show, and we got to talking about how music changes every 10 years or so. He was saying some shit that got me thinking...

What's popular now (in the real world, not that pop-radio-brainwashing-stuff) is the whole indie rock thing. Personally, I don't see it as indie, because everyone and their moms are listening to it. Anyways, he was talking about how music is a reaction to one's environment, and how my generation will likely either be the last generation to carry on the hipster tradition before it dies out, or we will be the first generation to create a new scene in music. Just for those that don't know, I am 15 (close to 16) putting me in the very very very end of the Echo Boomer generation, although technically I am in Generation Z (born 1995-2012).
ANYWAYS,
What do you guys see happening in music within the next 5-6 years? Because in about 5 or 6 years, people that are in MY peer-groups will have infiltrated the music industry. It will be crawling with us. Do you think Generation Z and the Echo Boomers (echo boomers came right after Generation X) will carry on this indie-rock shit, or do you think we will create some sort of new musical revolution? It seems to happen every decade....
I mean
British Invasion and the hippies, the foundations of punk=60's
Funk/Blues in rock and Disco, Punk Rock along with the foundations of hiphop=70's
Hardcore and straight edge punk rock, the emergence of hiphop in the mainstream, nu-wave, hair bands=80's
Grunge, the FIRST wave of emo-rock Gangsta Rap, punk merging with pop resulting in punk entering the mainstream, the coming downfall of MTV=90's
Electro pop, autotune in rock music, Screamo, southern hiphop, the murder of hiphop, indie rock, and crunkcore=00's

What will the 10's and 20's bring?
I personally forsee my generation carrying on the hipster tradition, BUT we will be the first generation to revive psychedelic rock in a long while. Nearly everyone i know my age is REALLY into psychedelic jam music (dubstep, jam bands, ambient techno, etc). I don't see us doing much in the mainstream however. Then again, how often does the mainstream change? It's been the same since the mid-80's. Singers that don't write their own songs, boy bands, love ballads, and most recently, shitty rappers that call themselves the best rappers alive.

Discuss?

Honestly i find it really hard to say. I mean its hard to state what it will become when we're probably right in the middle of a transition.

I always get this feeling music will eventually start looping like fashion senses to a degree.

Honestly i can't give a very decent opinion as i just like what i like i'm not really into particular genres.

Yeah I mean if you look at it, music does sorta loop.... It seems to go from sugar coated, to mindless, then a revolution occurs...
The early 60's was sugar coated rock n roll.
The mid to late 60's was mindless psychedelic bullshit (brought on by the hippies).
And then the 70's brought angry, political fueled revolution, PUNK ROCK.

Then it went on to disco...
Then the new fad was nu-wave.
Then here comes hardcore punk, fucking shit up yet again.

MJ was big in the mid 80's (I believe?)
It got worse with hair bands.
BAM, here comes grunge, shitting in THE MAN!!!!'s (the man...man. they're watchin!) mouth!


We are WAY WAY WAY overdue for a musical revolution. Music has been mindless (except for underground stuff) for around 20 years, it seems. It's time for someone to shit in THE MAN!!!!'s mouth, again.



Just curious, what is your favorite genre?

Mine?

I honestly really don't have one here's a bunch of groups i like or have liked over the years:

Kings of Leon, Red Hot Chillis, Green Day, Blink 182, Killers, Ash, Lost Prophets, U2, Nirvana, Yellowcard, All American Rejects, 30 seconds to mars, Sugarcult, Five for fighting, Disturbed, Bowling For Soup, The Calling

Oh yeah and i always was a huge MJ fan.

I was a ridiculously big fan of Ash and Blink 182 at one point. Kings of Leon, Chillis and Green Day i've liked consistently for a long time though.

I do like other genres as well but like i said anything with a guitar in. I liked proper RnB the more 90s stuff. As well as more of the rap then as well. I did like stuff like eminem as well.

But yeah my music taste is all over the place and honestly i doubt it would be considered good, but like i give a shit.

I get the feeling our generation (Gen Y) is going to either continue this sort of alternative rock we have going right now, or bring back grunge, or bring back metal. It will be either of those, as they seem the most popular genres from my observation, aside from the mainstream pop and rap rubbish which is so distorted by auto tune that it all ends up sounding the same.

Also, I'm with Buu. My musical taste is all over the shop, I like select songs covering most genres.

Buu: I love blink. I'm into alot of hardcore punk, political punk, etc, and I get bashed ALOT for liking blink. alot of punk fans are pretentious dicks who think that Blink 182 is the equivalent of Justin Bieber towards punk, but i brush it off. Blink is honestly probably my all time favorite band. I've been listening to them since I was 9
Oh, and I also saw All American Rejects live once! I might get to see Green Day soon too! Green Day is at a tie with blink for my all time favorite band. I went through a phase where I listened to the American Idiot album, front to back, daily, for about 2 or 3 months.

Skip: Yeah I really hope grunge gets brought back. Or even just some sort of punky/alternative stuff. I'm not a fan of alot of the pop/punk that is out there today, with the backup screaming behind all the whiney sounding vocals.

But personally, concerning other stuff, there are alot of artists whom I personally despise, but I respect. MJ being an example. I can't STAND half of his music, it's too over-produced and poppy for me, BUT, I totally fucking respect MJ, totally. MJ was insane. He was an amazing artist.
I'm the same way with genres. I HATE country music, but I respect the fuck out of it, simply because country had an influence on punk, and punk is one of my favorite genres by far.

Speaking about the UK music scene only (and the mainstream one at that), the 00's were defined by Coldplay, who came along in, I think, 1999 or 2000. That might sound like a ridiculous thing to say, but it's true. The pop-indie thing happened as well, but there were and still are so many bands/singers around that, if they had come along before Coldplay, would have been the new big thing. I'm talking about bands like Keane, and more recently The Script, and singers like James Blunt.

Still on the UK scene, I think hip-hop or R&B are going to be the next big thing. People like Plan B, Professor Green, Tinie Tempah, etc, have all popped up recently. Then again, Dizzee Rascal has been at it for a good few years now. But he was the only big name in UK hip-hop for ages. Rihanna has always been popular here too. Even the songs that didn't do so well in the states did well here, but she seems to be moving more towards straight pop now.

You can't decide whether to call something indie or not. It's indie if it's published by an independent label, so it's objective.

Melbourne is more or less the hipster capital of Australia, we have the most, and arguably the best, live music scene in the country and it covers a huge range of genres.

That said, the most popular and 'mainstream' genres at the moment are Drum and Bass, House, R&B, Alt Rock, Prog Metal and whatever is considered 'Indie' at the time.

EDIT: I went off track. To answer the OP I think artists will continue to expand the Electronic genre and, eventually, phase out the current pop in favour of multiple electronic sub-genres.

Coldplay is a guilty pleasure of mine

Damn, it seems like that the UK has a much different music scene. I haven't heard of the Script, I've heard of Keane but never HEARD them, and James Blunt was a one hit wonder here.

I haven't heard of any of the hiphop you posted, sadly. I'll have to check them out though, since I've dipped a TINY bit into grime, and I liked it. I'm an avid hiphop listener.

And the context in which I am using the word "indie" changes it from objective to subjective. I see your point, but in this conversation, when I mention indie (not sure about other people's definitions), I am referring to the sound. Low-fi music, usually pretty distorted, kinda like the Beatles, but modern. Modest Mouse, the Strokes, The Flaming Lips, these bands are good examples.
I'm also referring to the indie subculture... Also known as HIPSTERS! GAH I hate hipsters... My town is filled with them!!! Sheep!!!! They are sheep, dammit!

UK hip-hip/rap usually has a dance-music-ish vibe to it. Well, the best stuff does. Professor Green is just... normal, for lack of a better word. Like a bland Eminem.

And James Blunt was pretty much a one hit wonder here as well (although he has a new single out now), but there was a whole bunch of solo artists like him who came out around the same time. I just couldn't remember any of their names.

ilikebacon3000 wrote:

Coldplay is a guilty pleasure of mine

Damn, it seems like that the UK has a much different music scene. I haven't heard of the Script, I've heard of Keane but never HEARD them, and James Blunt was a one hit wonder here.

I haven't heard of any of the hiphop you posted, sadly. I'll have to check them out though, since I've dipped a TINY bit into grime, and I liked it. I'm an avid hiphop listener.

And the context in which I am using the word "indie" changes it from objective to subjective. I see your point, but in this conversation, when I mention indie (not sure about other people's definitions), I am referring to the sound. Low-fi music, usually pretty distorted, kinda like the Beatles, but modern. Modest Mouse, the Strokes, The Flaming Lips, these bands are good examples.
I'm also referring to the indie subculture... Also known as HIPSTERS! GAH I hate hipsters... My town is filled with them!!! Sheep!!!! They are sheep, dammit!

Indie is an abbrevation of independent. You mean lo-fi, so say lo-fi. Might as well say cucumber.

Oh bullshit. If you say indie, people know what you mean. It's a genre now.

James Blunt had one or two hits here, but I hated him. I'm quite partial to The Script though, I've heard a bit of their stuff, and while I don't have any of their stuff, it's quite good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_rock

"Indie rock is like pornography in a way: most people can't tell you exactly what it is, but they know it when they see it. Er, hear it. It's loud and obnoxious (or quiet and polite), careless and sloppy (or meticulously composed), complex and pretentious (or simple and unassuming), and, to its fans, cooler and more relevant than any other style of music. "

If you're going to go as far to say that anyone on an independent label is indie, then... Well I guess that makes Bright Eyes indie, even though every fucking hipster in Williamsburg, NY owns his discography.

Indie has two meanings. The one you've mentioned, and indie as a genre.

ilikebacon3000 wrote:

Also known as HIPSTERS! GAH I hate hipsters... My town is filled with them!!! Sheep!!!! They are sheep, dammit!

I saw this picture, and it reminded me of this post.

LMFAO that would be so awesome. Damn totally out of order to.

It would be hilarious, but you'd really have to run. XD

If i see someone at a party passed out this has to be done. They're asking for it right?

Oh god yes. Why else would they put one of those things in their ear?

It'd be even greater if you could lock two people together like that.

I would totally try that but i could imagine that going horribly wrong o_O.

Now i'm just thinking about what else we could attach to these peoples ears.

HOw about something like pink fluffy handcuffs, that adds up so much embarasment to.

That would be fucking HILARIOUS! I am really tempted to try that.... But I know it's asking for trouble... But still....