I just rewatched both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

Man I forgot how amazing those two films are. Considering they're two-in-a-row above average films, I really have faith in the next film. They really are true gems that can blow your mind away no matter how many times you watch them. It's hard for me to even say which one is better than the other, they're both on the same level of greatness in my opinion. It's funny that when you watch both films in a row, you realize how the Joker is practically proving the League of Shadows' point about society being broken, except he goes one step further and shows how to destroy them by taking down the few people the people hang on to by a thread to keep their sanity.

And then it turns out people are good and Joker loses his fucking mind over the exact thing he criticized other people for.

God, I love his utter break down when he finally gets what's coming to him.

And even then he didn't really lose it at that moment. I was really expecting him to get pissy right off the bat(pun intended) but what we get is "You can't rely on anyone these days. You got to do everything yourself, DON'T we?"

It's subtle rage. He didn't have to yell to show how furious he was.

Baal wrote:

It's subtle rage. He didn't have to yell to show how furious he was.

It's the fact he kept his cool on the outside. Obviously he's agitated, no one's denying that, it's the fact he didn't go beserk over it like any other slime would, that unexpected event didn't really stop him. He was more left open when he started yapping away after that line.

Ehhh, Two-Face was better anyways.

Clearly. And screw the people who say he lacked screen time. He's Harvey Dent all the way through, just because he becomes "that villain" doesn't mean "that villain" had a lack of screen time. Anything done more with what was done would've have ruined him.

Similar to Venom in SM3, people talk about how he lacks screen time. That is actually true, but not because he lacked it as "Venom", it's the fact Eddie Brock is barely in the picture at all. To give credit where it deserves though, at least everything regarding his revenge fitted in nicely. But still, there should have been more, a lot more. They should have either ditched Sandman or ditched Venom, one had to go. I feel sorry for Raimi, of course SM3 was doomed to be average(at best), he likes intellegent and respectable villains who as a regular human citizen, wouldn't have flaws through the eyes of the people who respected them.

Ra's Al Ghul has to come back for the sequel. The whole point of his character is that he somehow always survives. Even though they removed the supernatural element of that in Batman Begins...

I preferred Begins, I felt TDK was good, but a touch overrated. Aaron Eckhart was great as well, even though Ledger took all the plaudits.

I feel TDK deserves the praise it gets. I mean if EVERYTHING good has to be overrated, then who cares. I mean for once has there been a really good film without someone saying "It's overrated"? It just has a large mass of people love and enjoyed the film, all really good films have that, the only time it was glorified was during release but that happens during all first time reactions, that's not overratedness, that's just being in and enjoying the time of the theatrical release.

Everyone talking about it and discussing how great the film was obviously would happen, that's critical reaction. Something legimately overrated is shit like Twilight series where it's popular and widely praised by teenage girls yet they're actually bad books/films or District 9 which was stupid as hell.

Suffice to say I felt it was rather underwhelming.

Speaking of overratedness, I'm surprised that even I didn't see that much glorifying of the film as I expected, I saw countless "That was great!" type comments and a lot of positive reactions but nothing stupid as hell like "THIS IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER, EVERYTHING ELSE IS SHIT!". The only thing close to that was myself just for the sake of pissing Baal off for shits and giggles.

i prefer TDK

in bb all the twists were very obvious, i never suspected half the shit that happened in TDK to ahappen

Eddie had 3 shots without the venom costume.
The break in scene at the bank.
Where Peter reveals thats he's a fake.
And at the church just before he became Venom.
each were only 5 minutes, after that was just the fight.

Terror of Death wrote:

Eddie had 3 shots without the venom costume.
The break in scene at the bank.
Where Peter reveals thats he's a fake.
And at the church just before he became Venom.
each were only 5 minutes, after that was just the fight.

Hella wrong on some parts. He also had a scene with Spidey after Gwen was saved and after that was his meeting with J.J. Most of these scenes were more like 1 to 3 minutes, especially the black suit run in at the bank which was only a few seconds as well as the "OMG MY LIFE IS RUINED, BAAAW" split second shot of him watching Peter take out Gwen to that club.

Basically it was annoying, Topher was just brought in over and over to skip in and out and do barely anything excluding his pivotal moments.

I never watched either the BB or TDK. I never had any interest in Batman or comic book movies.

I've only seen Spiderman and Ironman out of nostalgia, I basically know nothing about them (besides their powers).

I also care nothing about movies as a whole. I either like them and never talk about it again (because I find discussing movies to be boring) or hate them because they don't appeal to me and end up not watching them.

tl;dr: Maybe I should check it out even though I hate Batman as a superhero. Being 'deep' isn't something I enjoy, I leave thinking for school and other boring shit. Some of this is rambling, I dunno why I decided to type this out.

they're worth watching there not good superhero films

there just great films that happen to have a superhero theme
and it has a decent origin story you don't need to know a thing about batman

Superbuu3 wrote:

they're worth watching there not good superhero films

there just great films that happen to have a superhero theme
and it has a decent origin story you don't need to know a thing about batman

Now don't pull crap out the ass, of course they're Superhero films. Superhero isn't a genre in film making(well technically it's a sub-genre but it's basically films that contain superheroes and are about superheroes). These movies are about the superhero Batman so yes, it's a superhero movie. The only difference between those two and most Superhero films is the fact they have 0% cheese or campy-ness.

And don't worry Verg, they're certainly deep yes but that has nothing to do with you needing to think hard, they're just like any other film, made purely for entertainment so don't worry yourself. If you enjoy them, cool, if you don't, ah well.

Yeah, what Sora said.

Aaron Eckhart as Twoface had the best scene in TDK, which was the final showdown. That was the most compelling moment in the film. Better than the interrogation scene.

"It's not about what I want, IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S FAAAAAAAAAAIR!"

Oh and it gave birth to that hilarious fuck up and constantly quoted post on gfaqs' movie boards:

Now, there are basically four people in the building. Batman, Two-Face, Gordon, and his family -Silvanus350

Sora wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

they're worth watching there not good superhero films

there just great films that happen to have a superhero theme
and it has a decent origin story you don't need to know a thing about batman

Now don't pull crap out the ass, of course they're Superhero films. Superhero isn't a genre in film making(well technically it's a sub-genre but it's basically films that contain superheroes and are about superheroes). These movies are about the superhero Batman so yes, it's a superhero movie. The only difference between those two and most Superhero films is the fact they have 0% cheese or campy-ness.

And don't worry Verg, they're certainly deep yes but that has nothing to do with you needing to think hard, they're just like any other film, made purely for entertainment so don't worry yourself. If you enjoy them, cool, if you don't, ah well.

I meant there good films as opposed to justbeing good within the genre

Well it's not like the majority of superhero films are bad. =P