How strong would you have rated supreme kai at?

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

well thats the whole thing
what power level is a ssj2? i mean gohan at ssj2 in the buu saga is supposed to be weaker then his cell saga version

and even vegeta and goku at ssj2 don't seem as strong as gohan in that saga, remember that was a fully pissed off gohan who up to that point already showed despite his lower power level he was able to reach heights the others could only dream of

Yes, but didn't Vegeta say that both he and Goku were stronger than Gohan back then, when they were fighting?

And i am referring to SS2 Gohan btw

vegeta also says he's a super saiyan when he's not, thinks he is stronger then perfect cell, even thinks he can beat zarbon >_>
vegeta is probably the worst judge of power levels in the series

Fair call, but what about at the world tournament stadium. Goku was threatening to blast Supreme Kai, and he was terrified. If he was that strong that blast wouldn't have been a problem for him.

??
refresh my memory what exactly happens at that point
i didn't remember goku and supreme kai doing anything

When Babidi changed the arena from his ship to the World Tournament Arena so Majin Vegeta could destroy a bunch of people, I believe Goku threatened to blast the Kai if he didn't let Goku have his fight with Vegeta.

oh right

i thought the supreme kai was more shocked just at the fact goku would actually attack him more then anything

it wasn't necessarily fear of death

i mean he's the supreme kai considering these are ppl from a weak area of space as they put it, he was probably shocked taht someone had the audacity to do that

Maybe so, but i somehow doubt he would stand by and possibley allow the strongest monster in the universe to be released over the arrogance of two saiyans.

Skip wrote:

Maybe so, but i somehow doubt he would stand by and possibley allow the strongest monster in the universe to be released over the arrogance of two saiyans.

he was aware that any fighting would give energy to majin buu
he simply may have refrained from fighting as him trying to stop two saiyans fighting (inevitably bringing gohan into the mix to) would generate way too much energy

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

And I'd say Kibitoshin might be a match for Fat Buu, might.

well he probably could fight on even ground with him
maybe even beat on him a bit

but the thing about buu was that even if you were stronger then him it didn't mean you could kill him

Yeah, I just mean powerlevel wise.

after the potaro fusion i absolutely have no doubt he could of put up a better fight then majin vegeta

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Maybe so, but i somehow doubt he would stand by and possibley allow the strongest monster in the universe to be released over the arrogance of two saiyans.

he was aware that any fighting would give energy to majin buu
he simply may have refrained from fighting as him trying to stop two saiyans fighting (inevitably bringing gohan into the mix to) would generate way too much energy

Haha you have me there. Although Vegeta did a better job against Buu than the Supreme Kai.

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Maybe so, but i somehow doubt he would stand by and possibley allow the strongest monster in the universe to be released over the arrogance of two saiyans.

he was aware that any fighting would give energy to majin buu
he simply may have refrained from fighting as him trying to stop two saiyans fighting (inevitably bringing gohan into the mix to) would generate way too much energy

Haha you have me there. Although Vegeta did a better job against Buu than the Supreme Kai.

the majin power boost would of given him a ridiculous power boost

i'm more arguing that supreme kai is at lewast the level of ssj2 adult gohan/vegeta in the buu saga (both who i suspect were weaker then gohan in cell saga)

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

And I'd say Kibitoshin might be a match for Fat Buu, might.

well he probably could fight on even ground with him
maybe even beat on him a bit

but the thing about buu was that even if you were stronger then him it didn't mean you could kill him

Yeah, I just mean powerlevel wise.

after the potaro fusion i absolutely have no doubt he could of put up a better fight then majin vegeta

Oh yes, definitely better than Vegeta, most likely much better than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Maybe so, but i somehow doubt he would stand by and possibley allow the strongest monster in the universe to be released over the arrogance of two saiyans.

he was aware that any fighting would give energy to majin buu
he simply may have refrained from fighting as him trying to stop two saiyans fighting (inevitably bringing gohan into the mix to) would generate way too much energy

Haha you have me there. Although Vegeta did a better job against Buu than the Supreme Kai.

the majin power boost would of given him a ridiculous power boost

i'm more arguing that supreme kai is at lewast the level of ssj2 adult gohan/vegeta in the buu saga (both who i suspect were weaker then gohan in cell saga)

I'd say he couldn't be much weaker than SS2 Gohan, as he was able to bind him telekinetically. Are you talking about Vegeta after being revived? Or before the tournament?

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

And I'd say Kibitoshin might be a match for Fat Buu, might.

well he probably could fight on even ground with him
maybe even beat on him a bit

but the thing about buu was that even if you were stronger then him it didn't mean you could kill him

Yeah, I just mean powerlevel wise.

after the potaro fusion i absolutely have no doubt he could of put up a better fight then majin vegeta

Oh yes, definitely better than Vegeta, most likely much better than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

things you gotta consider:
halo ssj3 goku could of beaten fat buu and possibly kid buu
halo ssj3 goku would have had his ass handed to him by superbuu
ssj3 gotenks was stronger then ssj3 goku
shin and kibito were both stronger then goten and trunks

i mean the main question uis how much going ssj3 after the fusion effected there power level and honestly i doubt anyone can really answer that
but considering they were way stronger then the ssj forms of both the children they had to be a lot stronger then gotenks

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Maybe so, but i somehow doubt he would stand by and possibley allow the strongest monster in the universe to be released over the arrogance of two saiyans.

he was aware that any fighting would give energy to majin buu
he simply may have refrained from fighting as him trying to stop two saiyans fighting (inevitably bringing gohan into the mix to) would generate way too much energy

Haha you have me there. Although Vegeta did a better job against Buu than the Supreme Kai.

the majin power boost would of given him a ridiculous power boost

i'm more arguing that supreme kai is at lewast the level of ssj2 adult gohan/vegeta in the buu saga (both who i suspect were weaker then gohan in cell saga)

I'd say he couldn't be much weaker than SS2 Gohan, as he was able to bind him telekinetically. Are you talking about Vegeta after being revived? Or before the tournament?

pre tournament zenkais really fuck up power levels big time

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

And I'd say Kibitoshin might be a match for Fat Buu, might.

well he probably could fight on even ground with him
maybe even beat on him a bit

but the thing about buu was that even if you were stronger then him it didn't mean you could kill him

Yeah, I just mean powerlevel wise.

after the potaro fusion i absolutely have no doubt he could of put up a better fight then majin vegeta

Oh yes, definitely better than Vegeta, most likely much better than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

things you gotta consider:
halo ssj3 goku could of beaten fat buu and possibly kid buu
halo ssj3 goku would have had his ass handed to him by superbuu
ssj3 gotenks was stronger then ssj3 goku
shin and kibito were both stronger then goten and trunks

i mean the main question uis how much going ssj3 after the fusion effected there power level and honestly i doubt anyone can really answer that
but considering they were way stronger then the ssj forms of both the children they had to be a lot stronger then gotenks

Yeah, in retrospect, I'd probably cap his power at Super Buu with Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed, at most.

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

And I'd say Kibitoshin might be a match for Fat Buu, might.

well he probably could fight on even ground with him
maybe even beat on him a bit

but the thing about buu was that even if you were stronger then him it didn't mean you could kill him

Yeah, I just mean powerlevel wise.

after the potaro fusion i absolutely have no doubt he could of put up a better fight then majin vegeta

Oh yes, definitely better than Vegeta, most likely much better than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

things you gotta consider:
halo ssj3 goku could of beaten fat buu and possibly kid buu
halo ssj3 goku would have had his ass handed to him by superbuu
ssj3 gotenks was stronger then ssj3 goku
shin and kibito were both stronger then goten and trunks

i mean the main question uis how much going ssj3 after the fusion effected there power level and honestly i doubt anyone can really answer that
but considering they were way stronger then the ssj forms of both the children they had to be a lot stronger then gotenks

Yeah, in retrospect, I'd probably cap his power at Super Buu with Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed, at most.

thats plausible
as old kai only tells him not to go fight because at that point he would be fighting superbuu2 he would wipe the floor with a lot of characters at that point

Skip wrote:

I'd say he couldn't be much weaker than SS2 Gohan, as he was able to bind him telekinetically.

i'm not really sure how far telekinetic powers carry over compared to actual strength
in the dbz universe its hard to say
i mean were guldo's powers considered telekinetic or was that actually a wormhole or something?

I couldn't say, but Chaotzu couldn't hold Nappa in place, which made me think it had at leats something to do with powerlevels.

oh thats true

and the only time chaotsu last i remember could do anything useful telekinetically was in the 22nd budokai i think when everyeon was much closer in terms of power levels

Superbuu3 wrote:

oh thats true

and the only time chaotsu last i remember could do anything useful telekinetically was in the 22nd budokai i think when everyeon was much closer in terms of power levels

Yeah, Krillin was probably weaker than Chaotsu, while Goku can't have been too much stronger.