How strong would you have rated supreme kai at?

i think ppl completely underestimate the dude saying he's barely SSJ

i think he must have been close to ssj2 if not at that level

I'd say he's at least be stronger than androids 17 and 18. Maybe stronger than Second form Cell.

well first up his fighting technique should have way surpassed every other characters
i mean he's a supreme kai and king kai had some awesome moves

secondly he made piccolo shit himself his power level must have been high for that

Yeah, but I believe that would have to be partially because of the "way his ki felt." Not necessarily super powerful, but perhaps it felt like that of a Kai.

considering at that point there weren't many kai's around
well basically only 1 as he should have felt completely different to king kai etc who was weaker then saiyan saga vegeta

he probably wouldn't have made the connection for him to be the supreme kai if he even such a thing existed

i really doubt that was the main reason he shat himself

Supreme said that each of Kai's could defeat Freeze in one blow.

For that to be possible, his power would have to be atleast Second Form Cell level.

Maybe, although it is a pity we never really got to see him in action, except getting kicked around by Buu, but then Buu could do that to just about everyone at that stage...

Phoenix Wright wrote:

Supreme said that each of Kai's could defeat Freeze in one blow.

For that to be possible, his power would have to be atleast Second Form Cell level.

I reckon 17 or 18 could do that easily. Remember Trunks? And how easily he defeated Freeza? Then how more powerful the androids were compared to him?

Skip wrote:

Phoenix Wright wrote:

Supreme said that each of Kai's could defeat Freeze in one blow.

For that to be possible, his power would have to be atleast Second Form Cell level.

I reckon 17 or 18 could do that easily. Remember Trunks? And how easily he defeated Freeza? Then how more powerful the androids were compared to him?

uh keep in mind theres a big debate as to what power level frieza was at that point
trunk broke DBZ etiquette he killed frieza without letting him power up

Skip wrote:

Phoenix Wright wrote:

Supreme said that each of Kai's could defeat Freeze in one blow.

For that to be possible, his power would have to be atleast Second Form Cell level.

I reckon 17 or 18 could do that easily. Remember Trunks? And how easily he defeated Freeza? Then how more powerful the androids were compared to him?

Trunks wasn't exactly "One Blow" however.
Plus, he used a sword, and as Yajirobe proved in the Saiyan Saga, no matter how weak your power level is, if you got a sword, you can slice through guys 25000x stronger than you.

Skip wrote:

Maybe, although it is a pity we never really got to see him in action, except getting kicked around by Buu, but then Buu could do that to just about everyone at that stage...

well he managed to blow a hole right through buu or possibly just his head

and at that point gohan had done fuck all and its more then gotenks base (first time) and ssj goten and ssj trunks manage

Phoenix Wright wrote:

Skip wrote:

Phoenix Wright wrote:

Supreme said that each of Kai's could defeat Freeze in one blow.

For that to be possible, his power would have to be atleast Second Form Cell level.

I reckon 17 or 18 could do that easily. Remember Trunks? And how easily he defeated Freeza? Then how more powerful the androids were compared to him?

Trunks wasn't exactly "One Blow" however.
Plus, he used a sword, and as Yajirobe proved in the Saiyan Saga, no matter how weak your power level is, if you got a sword, you can slice through guys 25000x stronger than you.

intelligent argument out of mew o_O

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

Base Gohan, SSJ2 Gohan, or Just plain SSJ Gohan?
I can see Supreme Kai being at a SSJ Gohan level, when he beat Cell.

Kibitokai, however, could probably be about SPC Level, maybe slightly higher.

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

well thats the whole thing
what power level is a ssj2? i mean gohan at ssj2 in the buu saga is supposed to be weaker then his cell saga version

and even vegeta and goku at ssj2 don't seem as strong as gohan in that saga, remember that was a fully pissed off gohan who up to that point already showed despite his lower power level he was able to reach heights the others could only dream of

Phoenix Wright wrote:

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

Base Gohan, SSJ2 Gohan, or Just plain SSJ Gohan?
I can see Supreme Kai being at a SSJ Gohan level, when he beat Cell.

Kibitokai, however, could probably be about SPC Level, maybe slightly higher.

i'd rank him higher
kibito and shin are definitely a lot stronger then goten and trunks

its only natural that they should be a lot stronger then them to well excluding ssj3
we don't really see kibitokai do anything so we couldn't say that he's not as strong as an ssj3

he seems to think he's strong enough to take on buu at that point

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

well thats the whole thing
what power level is a ssj2? i mean gohan at ssj2 in the buu saga is supposed to be weaker then his cell saga version

and even vegeta and goku at ssj2 don't seem as strong as gohan in that saga, remember that was a fully pissed off gohan who up to that point already showed despite his lower power level he was able to reach heights the others could only dream of

Yes, but didn't Vegeta say that both he and Goku were stronger than Gohan back then, when they were fighting?

And i am referring to SS2 Gohan btw

And I'd say Kibitoshin might be a match for Fat Buu, might.

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

well thats the whole thing
what power level is a ssj2? i mean gohan at ssj2 in the buu saga is supposed to be weaker then his cell saga version

and even vegeta and goku at ssj2 don't seem as strong as gohan in that saga, remember that was a fully pissed off gohan who up to that point already showed despite his lower power level he was able to reach heights the others could only dream of

Yes, but didn't Vegeta say that both he and Goku were stronger than Gohan back then, when they were fighting?

And i am referring to SS2 Gohan btw

vegeta also says he's a super saiyan when he's not, thinks he is stronger then perfect cell, even thinks he can beat zarbon >_>
vegeta is probably the worst judge of power levels in the series

Skip wrote:

And I'd say Kibitoshin might be a match for Fat Buu, might.

well he probably could fight on even ground with him
maybe even beat on him a bit

but the thing about buu was that even if you were stronger then him it didn't mean you could kill him

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

well thats the whole thing
what power level is a ssj2? i mean gohan at ssj2 in the buu saga is supposed to be weaker then his cell saga version

and even vegeta and goku at ssj2 don't seem as strong as gohan in that saga, remember that was a fully pissed off gohan who up to that point already showed despite his lower power level he was able to reach heights the others could only dream of

Yes, but didn't Vegeta say that both he and Goku were stronger than Gohan back then, when they were fighting?

And i am referring to SS2 Gohan btw

vegeta also says he's a super saiyan when he's not, thinks he is stronger then perfect cell, even thinks he can beat zarbon >_>
vegeta is probably the worst judge of power levels in the series

Fair call, but what about at the world tournament stadium. Goku was threatening to blast Supreme Kai, and he was terrified. If he was that strong that blast wouldn't have been a problem for him.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

well thats the whole thing
what power level is a ssj2? i mean gohan at ssj2 in the buu saga is supposed to be weaker then his cell saga version

and even vegeta and goku at ssj2 don't seem as strong as gohan in that saga, remember that was a fully pissed off gohan who up to that point already showed despite his lower power level he was able to reach heights the others could only dream of

Yes, but didn't Vegeta say that both he and Goku were stronger than Gohan back then, when they were fighting?

And i am referring to SS2 Gohan btw

vegeta also says he's a super saiyan when he's not, thinks he is stronger then perfect cell, even thinks he can beat zarbon >_>
vegeta is probably the worst judge of power levels in the series

In Vegeta's defense, he thought he was a Super Saiyan because he surpassed Kakarot's power level at the time, and he had thought that Kakarot was a Super Saiyan when he first arrived on Namek. Plus, Vegeta didn't know what a SSJ looked like in the first place.

And with Perfect Cell and Zarbon...Well, when has a single character in DBZ been able to sense someone's full power level? Zarbon and Cell were surpressed, honestly.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

And I'd say Kibitoshin might be a match for Fat Buu, might.

well he probably could fight on even ground with him
maybe even beat on him a bit

but the thing about buu was that even if you were stronger then him it didn't mean you could kill him

Yeah, I just mean powerlevel wise.

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

well thats the whole thing
what power level is a ssj2? i mean gohan at ssj2 in the buu saga is supposed to be weaker then his cell saga version

and even vegeta and goku at ssj2 don't seem as strong as gohan in that saga, remember that was a fully pissed off gohan who up to that point already showed despite his lower power level he was able to reach heights the others could only dream of

Yes, but didn't Vegeta say that both he and Goku were stronger than Gohan back then, when they were fighting?

And i am referring to SS2 Gohan btw

vegeta also says he's a super saiyan when he's not, thinks he is stronger then perfect cell, even thinks he can beat zarbon >_>
vegeta is probably the worst judge of power levels in the series

Fair call, but what about at the world tournament stadium. Goku was threatening to blast Supreme Kai, and he was terrified. If he was that strong that blast wouldn't have been a problem for him.

I think the Supreme Kai was more or less terrified by the fact that Goku was willing to blast a Kai like that, without any signs of remorse or nothing.

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

well thats the whole thing
what power level is a ssj2? i mean gohan at ssj2 in the buu saga is supposed to be weaker then his cell saga version

and even vegeta and goku at ssj2 don't seem as strong as gohan in that saga, remember that was a fully pissed off gohan who up to that point already showed despite his lower power level he was able to reach heights the others could only dream of

Yes, but didn't Vegeta say that both he and Goku were stronger than Gohan back then, when they were fighting?

And i am referring to SS2 Gohan btw

vegeta also says he's a super saiyan when he's not, thinks he is stronger then perfect cell, even thinks he can beat zarbon >_>
vegeta is probably the worst judge of power levels in the series

Fair call, but what about at the world tournament stadium. Goku was threatening to blast Supreme Kai, and he was terrified. If he was that strong that blast wouldn't have been a problem for him.

??
refresh my memory what exactly happens at that point
i didn't remember goku and supreme kai doing anything

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

Skip wrote:

Ha, I guess those are both valid points. I still can't see Supreme Kai being stronger than Gohan when he beat Cell.

well thats the whole thing
what power level is a ssj2? i mean gohan at ssj2 in the buu saga is supposed to be weaker then his cell saga version

and even vegeta and goku at ssj2 don't seem as strong as gohan in that saga, remember that was a fully pissed off gohan who up to that point already showed despite his lower power level he was able to reach heights the others could only dream of

Yes, but didn't Vegeta say that both he and Goku were stronger than Gohan back then, when they were fighting?

And i am referring to SS2 Gohan btw

vegeta also says he's a super saiyan when he's not, thinks he is stronger then perfect cell, even thinks he can beat zarbon >_>
vegeta is probably the worst judge of power levels in the series

Fair call, but what about at the world tournament stadium. Goku was threatening to blast Supreme Kai, and he was terrified. If he was that strong that blast wouldn't have been a problem for him.

??
refresh my memory what exactly happens at that point
i didn't remember goku and supreme kai doing anything

Goku says he'll fight with Vegeta if babidi transports them away from innocent people. kai stands in between them, and says he refuses to let Goku go through with it. Goku threatens to blast Kai out of the way, and he stands down.