The big DBZ issues...

I'm bored, so thought I'd ask people's opinions on a few of the various never ending DBZ debates. You don't need to say why you hold that particular belief, just which side of the debate you choose.

So, here we go;


Super Perfect Cell > = < SSJ2 Gohan?

How did the two compare? Was Cell bluffing, was he toying with Gohan, or was Gohan just much stronger the whole time?

Buu saga Base Saiyans > Piccolo?

Dabura singles out Piccolo, but leaves Goku, Gohan and Vegeta alive.

Gohan vs Dabura; was Gohan SSJ or SSJ2?

We know Gohan has SSJ2 still, and Dabura is a Cell level threat; yet Gohan is drawn with a SSJ aura. So, which is it?

Super Buu > = < Kid Buu?

Goku was scared of Super Buu, but happy to fight Kid Buu. Gohan made Super Buu his *****, yet his ki in the Genki Dama wasn't enough to beat Kid Buu.

SSJ3 Goku > = < Chou Gohan?

Yeah, I went there.

So people, votes please!

Super Perfect Cell > = < SSJ2 Gohan?

SSJ2 gohan, when people put in more effort they use two hands, regardless of if you thought the wound was big or not without using both hands damage output was reduced


Buu saga Base Saiyans > Piccolo?

Plot device
wouldn't he have wanted to take out the biggest threat
going by that picollo > base saiyans
honestly don't know don't carea at all on this one

Gohan vs Dabura; was Gohan SSJ or SSJ2?

SSJ

Super Buu > = < Kid Buu?
Super buu

SSJ3 Goku > = < Chou Gohan?

Chou Gohan

SSJ2 Gohan > Cell

Piccolo > base Saiyans

He was SSJ2

Super Buu > Kid Buu

During the Buu saga or at the end of Z?

Raziel wrote:

regardless of if you thought the wound was big or not without using both hands damage output was reduced

I don't think so. Although that seemed to be what Gohan thought (wrongly).

The Professor wrote:

Raziel wrote:

regardless of if you thought the wound was big or not without using both hands damage output was reduced

I don't think so. Although that seemed to be what Gohan thought (wrongly).

if thats the case then why when people pump energy into energy blasts do they try to use both hands

Super Perfect Cell > = < SSJ2 Gohan?

You mean before or after Gohan's arm got fucked up? Before, yes; after, less.


Buu saga Base Saiyans > Piccolo? Dabura singles out Piccolo, but leaves Goku, Gohan and Vegeta alive.

Didn't he also petrify Krillin as well? Are you proposing that that Krillin > Buu saga Base Saiyans? More likely than not, Dabura petrified those two because they were the weaker ones... at least, in the long run (counting transformations), and wanted a more challenging battle.

I suppose that doesn't exactly answer whether or not Piccolo > BSBS (lol), but that's my opinion on Dabura's rationale.


Gohan vs Dabura; was Gohan SSJ or SSJ2?

I never watched this fight in the show or read the manga for it; no opinion on this issue.


Super Buu > = < Kid Buu?

I try not to think about that one; it makes my brain hurt.


SSJ3 Goku > = < Chou Gohan?

I don't have much of an opinon on this issue, but I'd say Chou > SSJ3, purely based on the fact of Chou > Super Buu and Goku was afraid of Super Buu.

Probably because the attack used both hands anyway. I don't remember any times when someone was using one hand, and then started using the other hand to make the attack more powerful.

If it was true you'd think everyone would use both hands for all their attacks.

The Professor wrote:

Probably because the attack used both hands anyway. I don't remember any times when someone was using one hand, and then started using the other hand to make the attack more powerful.

If it was true you'd think everyone would use both hands for all their attacks.

i was thinking when defending from energy blasts

Maybe it's just natural to put both your hands up to protect yourself instead of one?

if it didn't make a difference
they could multi task

If it did make a difference, why some characters only use one hand for supposedly ultimate attacks.

how many do though?
majority for there actual ultimates use two
and anyone who don't has a fairly shit ultimate

good examples are final flash and spirit bomb as both attacks are extreme strong for early attacks

Nail is the one I remember most. Dabura too I think.

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Didn't he also petrify Krillin as well? Are you proposing that that Krillin > Buu saga Base Saiyans? More likely than not, Dabura petrified those two because they were the weaker ones... at least, in the long run (counting transformations), and wanted a more challenging battle.

Yes, he also spit on Krillin, having been basically told to take out the weaklings. However, Babidi and Dabura had no knowledge of the SSJ form, so that can't be a factor.

The scene does seem to suggest, however unlikely, that Gohan, Goku and Vegeta's base forms were stronger than Piccolo, who we know is at least stronger than #17.

The Professor wrote:

Nail is the one I remember most. Dabura too I think.

crap can't remember his special

a good example would be someone like future trunks

he used two handed burning attack

the follow up to the burning slash was one handed but was in theory a weaker attack as he had already done significant damage

Oh, and for what it's worth, here's what I think;

SSJ2 Gohan = SPC

Piccolo > base Saiyans

Gohan was SSJ2

Super Buu > Kid

Chou > SSj3

XmasimianWonder wrote:

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Didn't he also petrify Krillin as well? Are you proposing that that Krillin > Buu saga Base Saiyans? More likely than not, Dabura petrified those two because they were the weaker ones... at least, in the long run (counting transformations), and wanted a more challenging battle.

Yes, he also spit on Krillin, having been basically told to take out the weaklings. However, Babidi and Dabura had no knowledge of the SSJ form, so that can't be a factor.

The scene does seem to suggest, however unlikely, that Gohan, Goku and Vegeta's base forms were stronger than Piccolo, who we know is at least stronger than #17.

major flaw in your though
everyone was suppressing there powere levels

Daizenshuu volumes mention that Gohan, although he had lost power because he hadn't trained for 7 years and of his lack of anger, was a ssj2 against Dabura.

in the days of old that would've sent mish off on one

Mishim can go lick Dabura's feet.

thats probably what he's doing right now

SSJ2 Gohan <= SPC I just dont see cell doing THAT MUCH damage unless he was at least around gohans level. Then theres cell saying he rivaled gohan(which gives gohan an idea where cell stands) than gohan saying cell was stronger than he originally thought(CELL LIED ABOUT HIS POWER AND IS STRONGER )

Piccolo > base Saiyans? Couldnt care less XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD

Gohan was SSJ2 He HAD to be SSJ2 unless Goku was a liar which means we cant ever take Goku seriously when it comes to how he judges peoples power because he said dabura>cell who was>strong ssj gohan who is>weak teen ssj gohan.

Super Buu > Kid Duh>_>

Chou > SSj3 goku AND gotenks by a large margin.

Super Perfect Cell > = < SSJ2 Gohan?

Gohan, but I feel the difference is negligible.

Buu saga Base Saiyans > Piccolo?

I believe it's a case where the story outweighs the in-universe logic. The reader knows that Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta are the three strongest so their base forms were made the three strongest regardless of logic.

Gohan vs Dabura; was Gohan SSJ or SSJ2?

He should logically be SSJ2 and I refuse to believe he just magically lost the ability to go SSJ2 after just demonstrating is a few chapters earlier.

Super Buu > = < Kid Buu?

Super Buu > Kid Buu. Goku refuses to fight Super Buu even with Vegeta's help but is stated to be able to kill Kid Buu.

SSJ3 Goku > = < Chou Gohan?

Gohan > Goku. Gohan raped Super Buu while Goku refused to fight him.

Raziel wrote:

major flaw in your though
everyone was suppressing there powere levels

Everyone was suppressed down to zero, yes, yet Dabura picked out Kibito, Krillin and Piccolo when told to eliminate the weaklings.

It's my belief that this is nothing more than a way to move the plot forward, yet there's not logical in-universe explanation, especially as it's made very clear later on that Dabura cannot sense ki; in which case, how did he know there were seven people watching, and who to eliminate? It's just a shoddily written scene.

XmasimianWonder wrote:

Raziel wrote:

major flaw in your though
everyone was suppressing there powere levels

Everyone was suppressed down to zero, yes, yet Dabura picked out Kibito, Krillin and Piccolo when told to eliminate the weaklings.

It's my belief that this is nothing more than a way to move the plot forward, yet there's not logical in-universe explanation, especially as it's made very clear later on that Dabura cannot sense ki; in which case, how did he know there were seven people watching, and who to eliminate? It's just a shoddily written scene.

kibito must have had a decent power level
why else did gohan go ssj2 in front of him
or at least feel the need to