My prediction about Capcom boycotting came true

I thought that the Zero and Battle Network series did fairly well, which afaik accounted for most of the games in that time period.

BD wrote:

i can't tell if hot ass is meant to be a bad term

Hot ass can only be a good term unless you like ugly people.

The Battle Network series did not do well, there were a contingency of fans who bought those games, but they were small. It's possible the Japanese liked that one more, but considering Megaman's never been huge in Japan, I doubt that. Any fans of Battle Network that existed were put off by Starforce and those games sold the worst. Megaman Zero sold modestly, that series did not make a lot either.

Megaman lost most of his pull with sales in the 2000s, mostly due to the stupid amount of games that existed around that time. The last Megaman game to sell halfway decently was 9, 10 did not sell well and the Megaman HD Zero Collection sold poorly too. Megaman has not had pull with people who play video games in quite a while, that 3 million dollars came entirely from the nutty fans of Megaman, it's to the point where they voted for Beck's sidekick to look exactly like Roll too, rather than any other unique design.

Baal dislikes hot ass confirmed.

He could be referring to asses that are literally hot, y'know? Like, if your ass was burning, you wouldn't enjoy that, would you?

Like nightmares about flaming asses.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/04/01/capcom-cuts-its-profits-forecast-by-half-because-of-poor-mobile-sales/

It looks like Capcom is officially (almost) fucked. When you can't even make money of the most casual fuckers in the planet who'll play Angry Bird and Flappy Bird (basically, they'll buy or download anything), you know you're not doing good.

So looks like one closer step to the graveyard. Oh how the mighty has fallen......

Empirewild wrote:

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/04/01/capcom-cuts-its-profits-forecast-by-half-because-of-poor-mobile-sales/

It looks like Capcom is officially (almost) fucked. When you can't even make money of the most casual fuckers in the planet who'll play Angry Bird and Flappy Bird (basically, they'll buy or download anything), you know you're not doing good.

So looks like one closer step to the graveyard. Oh how the mighty has fallen......

Ultra Street Fighter IV

That news is pretty old to.

4 days old news doesn't equal old news, unless you are talking Capcom's finances. That's been happening FOR A LONG TIME.

Also if you think USF4 is going to save ALL, well, that's probably the last game you want to trust making money, even with it's DLC.

Street Fighter 4- 3.78 million (PS3, 360, and PC)
Super Street Fighter 4- 3.23 million (PS3,360, and 3DS)
Super Street Fighter 4 arcade edition (Seriously?)- 0.63 million

Will you think that ULTRA HYPER SUPER DUPER STREET FIGHTER 4, ARCADE DELUXE GOLDEN EDITION will save Capcom? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they overestimate like they did with Dragon's Dogma (expect 10 million units, no joke.) and Resident Evil 6. I would love to be blind and ignorant and say all will be fine and dandy, but in realistic sense, if they really don't start fixing their shit (you know, like Square-Enix is trying to do, hopefully it'll work) you won't be seeing Capcom in the next 2 years.

I was going to call Capcom the EA of Japanese video game companies, but that's an overstatement, because despite all of EA's disgusting tactics (making even Capcom and Activision look like angels), they sadly still make money.

Also people joke that they spent the money from MH4 on mobile gaming.

Seriously EW, don't I always back up my words.

Firstly numbers are commonly unreliable as they don't include digital sales.  Look how high the sales for SF4 and SSF4 are or are you telling me those are bad?  Next Arcade Edition was DLC, so you can bet a large number of those SSF4 owners upgraded.  The standalone edition came out at a later date.  Also Arcade edition was not that big an update or that intersting in terms of additions.

Super added 12 characters and second ultras for everyone.
Arcade added 4 characters and made the game unbalanced (later fixed in a patch the 2012 one IIRC).
Ultra is adding 5 characters and a new way to utilise Ultras that has got me very excited.  

I purchased SF4 and SSF4 wasn't interwsted in ultra, but man am I excited for USF4.  Its got Rolento in it and if you don't know why he's awesome go play Final Fight.  The numbers also show that no one had a problem of a rerelease of street fighter 4 between the two versions.  Also factor in DLC sales as well.  This game is going to be big.  Go nuts and talk about how dreadful most Capcom IPs are, but you are talking shit or just very bad at Street Fighter (I get the feeling you are the type of person to buy Mortal Kombat) if you don't get why its going to make a difference.

I'm sure they'll do something incompetent with the profits, but thats besides the point.  My point was Ultra Sreet Fighter will do well.

Also the site you used for that news was late in posting that story, so no that doesn't mean its only 4 days old.

EDIT: Also people who skipped arcade will be getting 9 characters on purchasing USF4 and you should see why thats an attractive package.

Empirewild wrote:

Street Fighter 4- 3.78 million (PS3, 360, and PC)
Super Street Fighter 4- 3.23 million (PS3,360, and 3DS)
Super Street Fighter 4 arcade edition (Seriously?)- 0.63 million

Do these numbers factor in the fact the digital sales that arcade edition did since that one was also a 15 dollar update much like what Ultra is going to be? Did you even remember that Arcade Edition had the option to update when you posted these numbers since no one actually knows what the numbers on those are?

Superbuu3 wrote:

Seriously EW, don't I always back up my words.

Firstly numbers are commonly unreliable as they don't include digital sales.  Look how high the sales for SF4 and SSF4 are or are you telling me those are bad?  Next Arcade Edition was DLC, so you can bet a large number of those SSF4 owners upgraded.  The standalone edition came out at a later date.  Also Arcade edition was not that big an update or that interesting in terms of additions.

Well with digital sales, unless you're PC, it's most likely going to make no difference. I never said that those sales of SS4 were bad, though I could be honest and say it didn't get the numbers of SF2 (original version selling 6.3 million on SNES alone, Turbo selling LESS with 4.1, still better than the original SF4. And I am obviously not counting arcade units either). I was trying to compare SF3 also, but I couldn't find any sales numbers. Funny enough, SF3 is the best in the series(INB4allstreetfighterfanboysragesayingstreetfighter3isgood)

How are you sure USF4 will sell more? We know Capcom fanboys and SF fans (even though that's dwindling since most SF fanboys hate the new installments) will buy it, but how do you think anyone else will? How are you sure that Capcom will just overestimate again and fuck up their finances?

Superbuu3 wrote:

I purchased SF4 and SSF4 wasn't interested in ultra, but man am I excited for USF4.  Its got Rolento in it and if you don't know why he's awesome go play Final Fight.  The numbers also show that no one had a problem of a rerelease of street fighter 4 between the two versions.  Also factor in DLC sales as well.  This game is going to be big.  Go nuts and talk about how dreadful most Capcom IPs are, but you are talking shit or just very bad at Street Fighter (I get the feeling you are the type of person to buy Mortal Kombat) if you don't get why its going to make a difference.

I'm sure they'll do something incompetent with the profits, but thats besides the point.  My point was Ultra Sreet Fighter will do well.

Streets of Rage>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Final Fight (IMO)

Man when did I talk shit about Street Fighter? I never once said "OH STREET FIGHTER 4 IS A BAD GAME!" I said that the way they handle the game's DLC and Capcom's business practices were bad. Street Fighter 4 is a decent game (In 2009, which was my max fanboyism for Capcom until you know, RE5 came.....). Do I suck at SF? I'll admit, yeah. But I suck at Dark Souls also, but does that make a game bad for me? No. Can I not hate Street Fighter? I know plenty of fighting fans who will say Street Fighter 4 is absolute garbage and an unbalanced mess.

Last I recall, the only games I said were terrible were Resident Evil 5 and 6, DMC (the new one), Street Fighter X Tekken (which was a garbage SF and abysmal Tekken game) and maybe a few others I forgot about. I have talk shit about SF4's DLC fiasco, but I didn't say the game sucks. I just lost toleration for Capcom ass fucking me. You are right about me liking Mortal Kombat, but are you saying Mortal Kombat is a bad game?

Superbuu3 wrote:

Also the site you used for that news was late in posting that story, so no that doesn't mean its only 4 days old.

I check the link again and saw the letter it got the news from. It was from Capcom from March 31st, 2014. WELL I'M SORRY THAT I WAS 1 DAY WRONG!

Though if this was post somewhere before, I need proof or I'm going to call your point bullshit.

Also off topic, I am noticing a lot of misspellings (not even on this topic, on others also). Do you write and forget to spell check?

I don't spell check (although typing getting worse lately i think my keyboard is playing up, keep missing certain letters).  Also finally you're talking sense Streets of Rage is way better than final fight.  OK my bad its hard to keep track of what you call terrible you definitely insulted SFxT and made a blanket statement about all capcom games being terrible its hard to pay attn when you come across as a hater.

What is the basis for digital sales are only big on PC?  I literally have no clue where you got that from.  Also its a DLC pack I don't think it would be sensible to consider it a game.  Its similar to comparing undead nightmare sales to RDR.

Street Fighter is pretty much the bench mark for the fighting community so stop talking nonsense, anyone you mentioned calling it a mess likely is terrible at fighting games.  Its normally the main event at EVO, so who's opinion you going to trust random weirdo who told you its unbalanced most likely because he's terrible.  The community on SF fighting games is always strong I remember playing Tekken 6 a few months after release and that was pretty much dead online.

Comparing sales of SF2 to SF4 is unfair.  Back then SF2 was probably the only fighting game, whereas now the market is extremely split (consider how many fighting game franchises there are), digital sales, used game market.

If you're trying to make a point tell me what it is then.  I mean you post sales numbers and act like USF4 coming out isn't a big deal.  I mean I can hardly tell if you're saying these sales aren't big enough to bring in profit or if you're saying the series sales are declining. Either way I think we covered those things already.

BTW don't take forum users opinions on games seriously ever, if those were the people telling you SF is bad.  Its nigh on impossible to find unbiased opinions on games.  Play SF yourself, if you thikn its unbalnced then fine, but don't give me other peoples opinions its worthless and a waste of time.  I know people who thinkg streets of rage is bad and they obviously have mental problems so why mention them.

Also i'm certain I went over this with you elsewhere, but MK charged considerably more for DLC with less characters I might add then SFxT and both games had the DLC made at launch.  Capcom decided to put the characters on disc and reduce cost to the consumer.  Nothing is ever as clear cut as it seems.  To put it another way all companies are dicks, its blind to assume another company isn't doing something dodgy.

EDIT: Actually look here http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/999533-street-fighter-x-tekken/67797488
There's people discussing the DLC issue.

Superbuu3 wrote:

I don't spell check (although typing getting worse lately i think my keyboard is playing up, keep missing certain letters).  Also finally you're talking sense Streets of Rage is way better than final fight.  OK my bad its hard to keep track of what you call terrible you definitely insulted SFxT and made a blanket statement about all capcom games being terrible its hard to pay attn when you come across as a hater.

It's ok. I do sound like I hate all Capcom games. Also FINALLY! SOMEONE BUT ME LIKES STREET OF RAGE BETTER! I like Final Fight, but Streets of Rage man, it's awesome. Get your shit together Sega and make us SOR4.

Superbuu3 wrote:

What is the basis for digital sales are only big on PC?  I literally have no clue where you got that from.  Also its a DLC pack I don't think it would be sensible to consider it a game.  Its similar to comparing undead nightmare sales to RDR.

Oh ok, I will let Arcade edition slide since it's just a DLC pack. I might of made some mistakes on the digital part. PC is dominate with digital sales since they Steam, GOG, Origin and such. Physical PC games are becoming less common (though not gone anytime soon.) Console games are more bought physically since I guess console gamers felt more at ease with. Digital is still their, but probably nowhere near as big as PC since most will buy it physical (unless it's only a digital game).

Superbuu3 wrote:

Street Fighter is pretty much the bench mark for the fighting community so stop talking nonsense, anyone you mentioned calling it a mess likely is terrible at fighting games.  Its normally the main event at EVO, so who's opinion you going to trust random weirdo who told you its unbalanced most likely because he's terrible.  The community on SF fighting games is always strong I remember playing Tekken 6 a few months after release and that was pretty much dead online.

I don't get that. I seen plenty of great players who can say first hand they hated Street Fighter 4 for legitimate reasons. You're right, they're some idiots who never play the game or just suck and hate it. I don't know, maybe it's just me and whoever I found where good and hated it (or dislike it). EVO aka the glorified Capcom ad? Yeah........

Superbuu3 wrote:

Comparing sales of SF2 to SF4 is unfair.  Back then SF2 was probably the only fighting game, whereas now the market is extremely split (consider how many fighting game franchises there are), digital sales, used game market.

Wouldn't SF2 help SF4 be more successful? I mean Street Fighter was a well establish franchise by 2009, I think you would expect maybe 6-7 million. Also fighting game were dead during the beginning of the 7th console generation (besides SSBB), so SF4 was basically by itself almost. It could pulls those numbers easily.

Superbuu3 wrote:

If you're trying to make a point tell me what it is then.  I mean you post sales numbers and act like USF4 coming out isn't a big deal.  I mean I can hardly tell if you're saying these sales aren't big enough to bring in profit or if you're saying the series sales are declining. Either way I think we covered those things already.

Both. I don't think USF4 will rack the money, either from poor sales or Capcom's usually overestimation. And SF4 sales are declining, like SF2 and possibly SF3 when you start re-releasing games.

Superbuu3 wrote:

BTW don't take forum users opinions on games seriously ever, if those were the people telling you SF is bad.  Its nigh on impossible to find unbiased opinions on games.  Play SF yourself, if you thikn its unbalnced then fine, but don't give me other peoples opinions its worthless and a waste of time.  I know people who thinkg streets of rage is bad and they obviously have mental problems so why mention them.

I already said I like SF4, even though I sucked at it. I only go to two forums anyways (Yours and Strider Zero's). All the people who said didn't like SF4 are on Youtube or some random gaming website. Do I take their opinion as mine, hell no. I know people who have LEGIT reasons they despise Dragon's Dogma. Should I listen to them? No. I play the game and judge for myself. That's why I can't judge any new Capcom games, because I never played them.

Do I feel SF4 is unbalanced.......Maybe. I could also say that for any fighting game. Balance can't be perfect, but you can sure damn try.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Also i'm certain I went over this with you elsewhere, but MK charged considerably more for DLC with less characters I might add then SFxT and both games had the DLC made at launch.  Capcom decided to put the characters on disc and reduce cost to the consumer.  Nothing is ever as clear cut as it seems.  To put it another way all companies are dicks, its blind to assume another company isn't doing something dodgy.

I don't think you told me this, but I do remember good ol' Mortal Kombat's issues. Trust me, if I was blind on other companies, I wouldn't see the ass fucking from EA or Activision either. I was on that breaking point with Square-Enix, but they seem to be fixing their shit.

Can fighting games just have unlockables? I mean jeez, is Super Smash Bros going to be the only fighting game to not have DLC?

Superbuu3 wrote:

I don't spell check (although typing getting worse lately i think my keyboard is playing up, keep missing certain letters).

i see nothing but negative bro force from skip for that sentance you fucking slacker

'tis a poor craftman who blames his tools

In all honesty I doubt I can coment on balance in fighting games and I dunno if you're in the position to either. A game has to be really freaking broken if players on our level would notice the lack of balance, because we most likely can't do half the shit that akes certain characters so overpowered. The only character in SF4 I know was broken first hand was vanilla SF4 Sagat, but he was addressed in the next version. Also apparently fans actually ask for these updates and thats why we keep getting more, give the amount of characters capcom adds in the fact SSF4 came in half price and was such a overhaul I really have no gripes with it. Oh BTW just read up on this Ultra street fighter 4 will be avilable as DLC. There is a complete edition which includes the full game and all DLC to date which is quite a lot of costumes. I definitely think this will shift units.

I dunno I'd say the 3 million mark plus what they rake in at the arcades is a pretty huge number of sales. Street Fighter is pretty old school and there is so many other fighting games out there. Don't forget its a franchise with manga and anime adaptations.

Dragons Dogma had huge and glaring flaws the letterboxing being the most noticeable the framerate was atrocious to, but yeah it was a really fun game. I dunno if you played the patched version of SSF4 AE, that was supposed to balance the game a lot. Either way though youtube comments are completely useless, most of the time there people who don't have games so end up just yelling for entertainment.

Well another time Capcom got backlash was UMvC3 but that happened due to them losing the license and it expiring so they had to push it out the door. They added a lot of characters so I don't have any major issues with it. Oh and don't forget Tekken Tag 2 deciding to hold back characters at release for preorder only that was a serious dick move. I don't think there's a fighting game thats been released which hasn't had dumb crap being done.

Yeah it was way better when games had full stop period.

Oh and you should play streets of rage remake that was great harder to find now after sega closed down the production.

I don't even know what this argument entirely is about, but if anyone thinks USF4 costed Capcom anything to make you are dead wrong. Also the idea that EVO is a glorified Capcom ad is hysterical given only two games in the lineup are Capcom games (The most featured ones, granted).

For what it's worth I also despise Capcom's DLC model but, even though it doesn't excuse anything, it isn't fair to single them out when almost everyone else is just as bad or worse these days. Vanillaware is the last bastion of consumer friendly DLC it seems.

Arc System Works a week after their release of Blazblue Chronophantasma in the US released 56 SEPARATE PIECES OF DLC. Two of them are two separate characters for 8 bucks a pop, a character costume for 5, all of the announce packs together for 50 bucks, two announcers together for 9, individually they're 6, two unlock keys for a character you have to beat the story mode of to unlock for 3 and unlimited versions of all of the characters for three (Unlocked by an impossibly difficult extra mode in the game), character colors for 4, and four separate packs of stages, colors, and music from past games for 4 bucks each.

Capcom's DLC model sucks, but ArcSys is insanely worse about its DLC to a scumbag extent.

I don't feel bad for Capcom, people mocked their business decisions with DLC and stuff for a few years, and a bunch of their high profile games lack the necessary finess

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:

Remember Me is literally the best home console release Capcom has been involved with recently.

I prefer the Devil May Cry reboot