Xbox/Playstation - System discussion

I was having a discussion with someone just the other day about trophy's and achievements
he said that Microsoft and sony turned gaming into a sport and ruined gaming  

Naturally i said they're optional no one dictated that you need to get em. Do the games you wanna and leave the games you dont
my example is i despised heavy rain so i left it regardless of any % it had.
in actuality people turned it in to a sport like... lets see who gets "x trophy first or achievement"
In other word caving into peer pressure or supposedly making them selves look better ect ect
but then again sony had that "bid for greatness" just the other week so.... yeah that kinda contradicts what was said.

Another topic i want to bring up is trophy and achievement hacking
I'd personally say " why buy the even buy the game if you're just gonna cheat?"
so yeah....


Lets discuss i wanna hear your opinions and such!
do you think trophys and achevos are necessary did it ruin your gaming ect ect

You've probably seen my level. But if you check ou my completion rate its pretty bad. I normally don't bother with games I find dull. My general habit is at least finishing a game, unless its really crap. If its not that good I might drop the difficulty.

I really don't get the comparison to sport. It means nothing to get trophies, and honestly in the real world talking about trophies would probably get met with blank stares of wtf are you talking about. So I get the impression this whole talk of it being a sport is just to inflate the ego of people who suck at sport.

Hacking trophies is probably the most pointless thing to do. I've literally got not clue why you'd want to hack something (its always so blatent when people have), to show people a list that not many people care about.

On the other side I think online trophies are dumb, especially when they ae for winning games online. Anything that won't come naturally ruins the flow of the game for everyone else.

if you check my trophy list, you'll see it's pretty darn empty and most of the games aren't even close to 50%.

can't say i really care about them.. there's only 2 games I actively tried to get a platinum for and the third one, I got automatically just for finishing the game (Walking Dead). all the rest, I honestly don't really give a damn.

well, not that I don't like if one pops up if I do something, but I generally don't care about actively getting them.

they were put on there for replay value at first, knowing that you could potentially get 1000/ plat in 1 playthrough but most wouldnt think of it so why would they replay the game? it was to try & stop the 2nd hand game market imo

testtubebaby wrote:

they were put on there for replay value at first, knowing that you could potentially get 1000/ plat in 1 playthrough but most wouldnt think of it so why would they replay the game? it was to try & stop the 2nd hand game market imo  

That was clearly the case with games like crysis 2 were they made trophies like play online 6 months after you originally played the game.

@buu Interesting, pretty much the same i just stop playing it altogether though.
Yeah i get that, but it is competitive on some levels thats why some people do compare it to sports or maybe its just that you get ranked on games that have online but yeah its rather silly.
True .... though they're attention whore's oh look at this list and post they're crappy profile on somthing like psn leaderboards or psnprofiles sony doesnt even do anything against these guys. they ought to take a page from microsoft and reset they're profile .... though that doesnt solve much still its a start.  


@testYes i kinda get the whole replay value thing
But it could kill whatever fun you had playing the game
then again some trophys and achevo's are rather ridiculous.
e.g jump 100 times.
not really all that practical to finishing the game itself.

@ psycho i think thats the kinda approach every gamer should take although the whore's would disagree

It adds replay value for games you like, if you don't like a game play something else. To actually go out of your way to do something unpleasant is dumb.

I mean most gamers especially those with plus have a crap load of games they haven't finished so there's always a better option then finishing up a game you have no interest in.

Blackchaosdragon wrote:

then again some trophys and achevo's are rather ridiculous.
e.g jump 100 times.

January 2009 trophies became compulsary on all games released on ps3, the jump 100 times ones are just devs being half assed with their jobs

If its jump 100 times in a platformer it wouldn't be a weird trophy. If its jump 100 times in CoD then yeah that would be weird but if it included onlin time people would do it even then.

Fair point, the both of you
And ive run out of topics.... when i think of another one or perhaps something trophy or achievement related, i'll post it up.

Sony Update 4.50 allows you to hide a specific game and its trophys or specific trophys (any trophy viewing site wont be able to see em either)
Microsoft allow you to only hide everything

I dunno if thats actually pretty helpful but..... I can finally hide heavy rain but i think personally they should have added a complete removal system (gets rid of games)

If it's a game I love, I'll try to get what trophies I can... If they're not bullshit like, Get x amount of wins online or something.

My only Plats are Fist of The North Star (Which is basically complete every story/extra mission ever and get x amount of kills using y style), Sonic Generations (Which was still easy enough despite final boss related trophy), Metal Gear Solid 3, & Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker. ...I had a mind to plat MGS2 as well, But lost interest. :V

I thought this was a really pointless update. Apparently it basically says you have hidden trophies. So everyone is going to assume you just been playing something messed up anyways.

Superbuu3 wrote:

I thought this was a really pointless update.  Apparently it basically says you have hidden trophies.  So everyone is going to assume you just been playing something messed up anyways.

I Guess but the only game that comes to mind is Galgun or the JP ver of Mugen souls
(well in actuallity both are JP only)
Either that or people think you've hidden hacked trophy's
so its bad/bad huh still there has to be some benefit from this

The more sensible thing would to stop syncing 0% trophies or alllow there removal, people have been begging for that function.

Superbuu3 wrote:

The more sensible thing would to stop syncing 0% trophies or alllow there removal, people have been begging for that function.

Yeah that would be nice plus i know a lot of people that want to change their PSN name too
though i have to wonder will sony even bother?

Blackchaosdragon wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

The more sensible thing would to stop syncing 0% trophies or alllow there removal, people have been begging for that function.

Yeah that would be nice plus i know a lot of people that want to change their PSN name too
though i have to wonder will sony even bother?

I'd rather they not change PSN names, it would allow people to work around bans. You can't report a player with a specific username if they keep changing it.

They should just copy the Steam system of everyone having a unique ID that can't be changed as well as a display name that you can do whatever you want with.

Superbuu3 wrote:

Blackchaosdragon wrote:

Superbuu3 wrote:

The more sensible thing would to stop syncing 0% trophies or alllow there removal, people have been begging for that function.

Yeah that would be nice plus i know a lot of people that want to change their PSN name too
though i have to wonder will sony even bother?

I'd rather they not change PSN names, it would allow people to work around bans.  You can't report a player with a specific username if they keep changing it.

They wouldnt do it if it costed them what say £5 each time right?
id say thats fair a PSN tag for life
after all PS is only supposed to do everything right? lol

Neo wrote:

They should just copy the Steam system of everyone having a unique ID that can't be changed as well as a display name that you can do whatever you want with.

Thats actually quite good idea now if they'd only allow that it would solve quite a few problems


Oh yeah i heard the Xbox one could record when you get a achievement of course you can turn it off i think
( i assume its either for proof or for showing other people how to get X achievement)
though i still dont know all that much about it yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZBYqaQ6nrs

About the new xbox rep sytem lol id be red

I feel sorry for the poor guys who get reps dragged down through griefing.

...Yeah its a far too common problem, people often just bad rep'd somone who was better than them or didnt like for no reason
...lets see here my xbox 360 profile has 38% unsupportive .... and i have no idea how it ended up like that.
12% bad language....funny, since i rarely spoke.
5% quitting early.... couldnt be helped my modem was a shitty one at that time
ect ect
Hopefully with this people cant abuse it as often.

this seems ....interesting too
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/133279-Titanfall-Anti-Cheat-Wont-Ban-Cheaters-It-Forces-Them-to-Play-Together

This doesnt really have anything to do with the subject at hand but
http://gematsu.com/2015/08/ps4-system-software-update-3-00-details-leaked

Quote :

Main Points

[Events] has been added to the main menu. From a PlayStation-related events list, you can now discover, participate, and view events.
[Community] has been added to the [Friends] menu. [Community] is a feature that lets you find close players with similar preferences and interests. You can create a new community or join a previously established community. Through the community, you can get into games and parties, and discuss common interests.
In [Now Playing], users will see a list of what users are playing, and from that list can easily start a game or form a party. You can also request to view a user’s gameplay. [Now Playing] has been added to What’s New, [Friends], [Community], and [Messages].
[Messages] have been improved. You can view the [Now Playing] of other users, as well as easily start a party. Additionally, you can also add favorite groups to your favorites list.
It is now possible to broadcast using YouTube.
It is now possible to upload video clips to Twitter. (10 seconds maximum.)


Read more at http://gematsu.com/2015/08/ps4-system-software-update-3-00-details-leaked#FzDGrcEQdYjJQ4XF.99

But still no folder options for the Ps4 and still no Name changer either. I hope they fixed the downloading problem too.

Lack of folders just seems dumb no one wants just a long ass list of games.

Been a short while since I last updated this.

PS4. Update 4.0
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/2016/08/15/ps4s-4-00-beta-starts-tomorrow-get-a-sneak-peek-at-upcoming-features/


In short

- Adding folders
- Showing hidden trophies
- Wont exit the game when pressing the PS button. Brings you to a slide menus
- Offline trophy mode.


Basically everything that should have been there from the start.