Orbis aka PS4

Subject: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:58 am

http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details

If this is true guess i won't be buying a console next gen. No backwards compatability sounds stupid. I mean what happens to our digital download games? All of this is sounding iffy. I really hope none of this is true. I honestly have no interest in another gen of consoles yet either.

Seriously i hate it when things post titles like this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/03/28/sony-report-new-console-wont-support-ps3-or-used-games/
They make it sound like sony have stated this but its just regurgitating comments from Kotaku, hopefully the backlash from customers will put this to rest if sony were thinking of doing it.

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This is fake, there's no fucking way a company would go this far in its anti-piracy measures.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:13 am

Mr. Baal wrote:: This is fake, there's no fucking way a company would go this far in its anti-piracy measures.

I think that is the case. Seeing as Wii U hasn't announced such a move i can't imagine any of the other companies would get away with it unless they wanted to completely be wiped out of the industry.

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Also, making PS3 games non-backwards compatible is absolutely idiotic. Not only do you lose a market on selling the games on the PS4 like the PS and PS2 ones on the PS3, you also inconvenience a lot of your buyers and that's bad. Although I'd imagine that PS3 software is very hard to emulate right now, so it's quite possible they won't do that.

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There were the exact same rumours about the next xbox and even the PS3. None of it was true.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if there was no BC. BC means either emulation or simply sticking PS3 hardware inside the PS4, and I honestly don't think either is likely. The Cell failed hard.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:29 am

Well if it comes out in a couple of year as opposed to next year, software emulation would likely be possible.

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I doubt even PCs will be doing reasonable PS3 emulation in a few years.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:39 am

No backwards compatibility? Seriously? What a business killer. Guess I won't be getting it if it turns out to be true.

Wouldn't they be able to counter this by adding PS/PS2/PS3 games on PSN though?
But I guess that wouldn't really help for those who have physical copies of their games, I can't imagine anyone wanting to pay for the same game twice.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:41 am

Kaizokugami wrote:: No backwards compatibility? Seriously? What a business killer. Guess I won't be getting it if it turns out to be true.

Wouldn't they be able to counter this by adding PS/PS2/PS3 games on PSN though?
But I guess that wouldn't really help for those who have physical copies of their games, I can't imagine anyone wanting to pay for the same game twice.

Well if it wasn't PS3 compatible no ones PSN games would work and everyone would be at sony's door, so i doubt that can actually be true.

Besides i may like MGS but i' not buying each game 3 times.

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I was bothered by the lack of BD on the PS3 at first, but then I got one and realised it didn't really matter. It's not that important for me anymore. It wouldn't put me off buying a PS4.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:48 am

Well i'm extremely cynical about all this. Mainly because if PS3 compatability was gone then SEN/PSN would be completely redundant as your digital games would be completely useless in the future. Considering sony expected us to rebuy games like god hand and all that stuff thats had HD collections. Expecting us to have to buy them again next gen would be beyond stupid.

The name change to SEN would suggest they wanted all of its features to be a permenant thing. If people knew that buying a PS1/2/3 title on there meant they could be playing those games at any point in there life they'd be way happier.

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PS1 and 2 emulation could easily happen.

And they didn't change PSN to SEN. They just created the SEN to link all their digital services together. PSN is still PSN. Although if PSN and our accounts carry over to next gen people might get annoyed if the digital games don't.

But again, it's not something I'm that bothered about, personally.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:14 am

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:: PS1 and 2 emulation could easily happen.

And they didn't change PSN to SEN. They just created the SEN to link all their digital services together. PSN is still PSN. Although if PSN and our accounts carry over to next gen people might get annoyed if the digital games don't.

But again, it's not something I'm that bothered about, personally.

But you're the kind of person who'll buy shadow of collosus again next gen if they get it up to 60fps.

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Only if it has a cool special edition with goodies. The Japenese CE box for Ico and Shadow HD is ridiculous.

60fps would probably make the game worse though. 30fps didn't do it any favours.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:10 am

A_Nonny_Moose wrote:: I doubt even PCs will be doing reasonable PS3 emulation in a few years.

This is almost certainly going to be the case, as far as I know nobody has even bothered to try working with the PS3 architecture on PC.

Quote :: The PS4's GPU in particular, we're told, will be capable of displaying Orbis games at a resolution of up to 4096x2160

This is complete bullshit. The GPU they're supposedly using will be powerful, yes, but it couldn't pull off that resolution and still have great textures, models post processing effects and anti aliasing, not to mention framerate. I'd much rather Sony, Nintendo and MS focus on setting a 1920x1080 60fps standard instead of focusing on brown and bloom at sub-720p like they did this gen.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:36 am

frankly, I don't really care about backwards compatibility anymore... I used to care, but then you realise you don't play your PS1 or PS2 games anymore and you stop caring...

but then again, I have room and TV inputs enough to keep the PS3 and put a PS4 next to it..

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:52 pm

Eevil-Psycho wrote:: frankly, I don't really care about backwards compatibility anymore... I used to care, but then you realise you don't play your PS1 or PS2 games anymore and you stop caring...

but then again, I have room and TV inputs enough to keep the PS3 and put a PS4 next to it..

If the PS4 doesn't have PS1 and PS2 BC i will be screwing i'm not too bothered about PS3 BC. My only concern is the PSN products.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:41 pm

Anyway it's probably BS, because if one console does this they'll lose there market share and if they all do it. All the companies are breaking the law, as they'll be accused of working together to force it to happen.

In other words this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:37 am

http://www.psu.com/Report-details-confirms-rumored-PlayStation-4--Orbis-processing-specs--a014917-p0.php

kind of interesting if it's true

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Eevil-Psycho wrote:: http://www.psu.com/Report-details-confirms-rumored-PlayStation-4--Orbis-processing-specs--a014917-p0.php

kind of interesting if it's true

Is this supposed to be good?
And how does it compare to Wii U's rumoured specs?

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:35 pm

I don't know as I haven't checked the Wii U 's specs lately, as far as this being good, i think Neo can tell you more about that as he has more knowledge on it...

I do know that for a PC graphics card, those are pretty basic to today's standards. but I've seen vids that can run for example Battlefield 3 at near max. settings with an average FPS around 30..

don't know how that translates to console gaming though, or if I should even make this comparison, as I said, I'm not too much of an expert on it..

also, the reason I said it was kinda interesting was because Sony would've dropped their Cell processor, which was always their big selling point, I wasn't talking so much about the specs of it, sorry i wasn't really clear on that.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:49 pm

The card listed on that site is decent hardware... now. It's going to be shit and outdated in two years when the next console generation is actually released.

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:52 pm

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/11/01/report-ps4-dev-kits-surface-details-inside

1080p60 3D i'm sold. Just best be backwards compatible with all SEN software.

Spoiler:

Subject: Re: Orbis aka PS4 Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:18 pm

Superbuu3 wrote:: http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details

If this is true guess i won't be buying a console next gen. No backwards compatability sounds stupid. I mean what happens to our digital download games? All of this is sounding iffy. I really hope none of this is true. I honestly have no interest in another gen of consoles yet either.

Seriously i hate it when things post titles like this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/03/28/sony-report-new-console-wont-support-ps3-or-used-games/
They make it sound like sony have stated this but its just regurgitating comments from Kotaku, hopefully the backlash from customers will put this to rest if sony were thinking of doing it.

I've heard of the no BC claim for quite a while.

Makes sense honestly. The PS3's design was expensive and from what I heard, PS3 was very complex to work. That's one of the reason why 90% of games (even later years ones) was build on 360 first then ported to PS3 afterward. So Sony is now looking to simplify the PS4 to make a more cost saving, and make it easier for dev's. If that is the case the PS4 probably won't use the cell processor, or whatever it was PS3 used. So a different design might make it simply unable to play PS3 games, or unable to run the physical discs at least. (though maybe we'll have PS1 and PS2 support back?)

Honestly I can live with not having BC support (I keep my old consoles anyway as I don't want to rely on 1 system for everything and end up over working it). If consoles don't support used games through, or forces us to pay to play a used game. That's pushing the limit there.