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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:39 pm

Kawakami should be your top priority now. Raise your guts and give her a call!

The Kamoshida and Madarame arcs were my favourite. I think the story takes a dip in quality afterwards and I'm not particularly fond of rest of the characters.
PS: Ryuji >>> Yusuke
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:34 am

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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:32 pm

That part was so bad that I'd actually forgotten about it.

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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:36 am

Ok, so I'm not reading those spoilers.

On a separate note, I just finished the 3rd palace and am now waiting for the change of heart. Firstly, good call on the SP recovery accessory, Chou. I got the highest tier accessory and managed to - by the skin of my teeth - get the entire palace done in a single visit. Recovering 7-10SP per turn is a godsend.

For the most part, the game has been excellent thus far, I've clocked up over 30 hours in ten days but I do just want to touch on a couple of complaints. Firstly, the in-palace stealth. It works fine mostly, but the fact that the camera is then reduced to moving on such a limited plane means that often you are unable to pounce on an enemy who is literally right next to you. It's really frustrating.

Secondly, there's occasionally a bit of a disconnect between in-game character faces and the anime style portraits. For example, Kawakami was having a chat with me about something and while her character model had raised eyebrows and looks somewhat mournful (which fit the tone of the conversation), the portrait looked straight-up angry. It's may seem only a minor thing, but changing the emotion under which a sentence is spoken can completely change its context.

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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:50 pm

Palace 3 took me two days to complete as I didn't know at that point about SP Adhesive 3. It's still my accessory of choice for Joker, Ann, Morgana and Makoto. For Ryuji and Yusuke (almost forgot that I never use him) I prefer the item you get from the last treasure demon because they are primarily physical attackers.

To be fair, I feel kinda bad about Yusuke; it's painfully obvious that he's really weak compared to the others. Atlas must really hate him.
- he has the highest STR, but he learns the crappiest skills (his Luck isn't high and critical hits / baton passes don't work on bosses anyway), so he ends up having the second lowest damage output in general
- weakest magic attacks since Ryuji learns Elec AND Shock Boost
- lower HP and Endurance than Ryuji, requires constant healing considering he has to spend HP to use physical skills
+ he learns the skill that buffs the team's Agility, which is arguably the least useful buff

Anyway, I think you should spend some time with the Fortuneteller.
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:43 pm

Increasing rank with Kawakami offers obvious benefits, even if you still have to fork out 5000 yen each time you want her to make a coffee for you or do the laundry, and the I've only seen the slacking off perks proc once in the entirety of July. Maybe other months will offer more frequent opportunities to make use of those abilities?

Oh, and I meant to ask; what's so great about the fortune teller? I'm up to rank 3 with her, and whilst I appreciate I can use her to generate some more money in the Metaverse I'm struggling to see much tangible use for her other abilities. Improving stats sounds great, but the buff costs 5000 yen and only lasts a day? It seems it only increases your gains by one point in any event and cannot surpass the maximum of 3 points per event. If money was in abundance then it wouldn't be a problem, but I've not yet had more than 150,000 at once, and I had to fork out 100k to start the Confidant any way.

Poor, poor Yusuke. I used him once, then cast him aside as well. Makoto walked straight in to the team (nudging Morgana out because Joker has Kaguya for healing duty) and she's got a freaking motorbike for a persona.
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:18 pm

Oh no, Simian is a Makoto fanboy!? Razz
I find it funny that there is always a "Makoto is the canon waifu" active topic on Gamefaqs. Joking aside, Makoto near the endgame outclasses Morgana in almost every way, but I still prefer the cat.

Kawakami's best ability is the very last one. I'm not going to spoil it for you though.
For the fortune teller, you'll have to reach rank 7. The buff she provides affects Joker's relationships with the confidants. It basically gives extra "bond points" turning many of those "I don't my bond will deepen yet" into "I think we will grow closer soon". If you're not following a guide, you'll probably need her to max out the confidants.
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:10 pm

Not really a Makoto fanboy as such - I've already gotten Ann to rank 9 and opted to start a romance there: Lovers arcana, right? - but I thought the bike persona was really cool, and wanted to see it more frequently. Thanks for not spoiling anything, but given some of the social stat requirements, I think I'm unlikely to max out all Confidants on 1st play through. From what I can gather, I need max charm just to get Makoto to the next rank, and I'm only half way through her confidant ranks.

What does end-game Morgana offer over and above Makoto, or can you not discuss without listing possible spoilers?

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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:05 am

Well, if you don't consider the skills they have yet to learn as spoilers, go ahead and read it.
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PS - you'll have a lot of time during July and August to increase your stats. I was in the same boat and I still managed to max out the stats and the confidants. Just don't go into Mementos too often.
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:51 am

These True Love/Best Girl debates among fans are so pathetic. Clearly, the best option is to date all of them at the same time. Plebs.

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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:22 pm

I picked Ann on my first play through.
I honestly felt she was the canon choice because of the way Joker stared at her when they first met, while dramatic music was playing, and then again during the volleyball exhibition match.
And because she is a hot model.

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These True Love/Best Girl debates among fans are so pathetic. Clearly, the best option is to date all of them at the same time. Plebs.

Pfft. Best choice is not to date any of these weirdos and spend Valentine's Day with "Sakamoto I love you Senpai".
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:11 pm

I've been praising the 3 Auto-Mas and Debilitate for a while now, so I figured I should probably tell you how to get them.
You'll need to capture the Hope Diamond treasure demon, which carries the Auto-Mas, then fuse it into one of the 4 Riders, then fuse those into Trumpeter and level him up until he learns Debilitate.
Hope Diamond is one of the most elusive Personas. I wasn't aware of its existence until I was close to completing the Compendium near the end of my second playthrough. It appears only in the latter half of the Mementos area (13th floor specifically) that is unlocked after the change of heart of the 6th Palace ruler and only after beating the 7th ruler. Capturing it normally would take a couple hours, but there is a much easier way.

First, you'll need to craft one of Morgana's items that increases the chances of treasure demons appearing, head into Mementos and activate it (its effect lasts until you leave Mementos). Go to the 13th floor and look around for a treasure demon. If you don't find any, leave the floor and come back. If you find one, start the battle; you may encounter Hope Diamond, Crystal Skull (itemize it for a great accessory) or Orlov (the treasure demon of the 7th palace). If it isn't the one you're looking for, run from the battle and find another enemy on the same floor, challenge it, then leave that battle. The treasure demon will have respawned. Keep repeating the process until you capture them all.
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:56 pm

Another real-world week gone, and I'm making reasonable progress through the game.  It's the start of September and the crew have just gotten back from their sun-kissed trip abroad
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Anyway, back to the school trip, I was actually a bit disappointed that there was virtually no game play element during the entire trip, it was 99% just watching the story unfold and seeing Joker being a playa (I had four separate invites for the beach stroll, but went with Ann).

Finally got Fortune Confidant up to rank 7 and now I understand why she's so valuable.  Being able to buy rank ups with other confidants without passing time is invaluable, even if they're expensive (again, 5000 yen a pop - ouch!) they allow you time to go and do something else, like raise stats or hit another confidant link.  Speaking of stats, I'm not sure how I'm progressing relative to a typical play through; as above, I'm 13/14 September and have knowledge and charm at rank 4, the rest at rank 3.  Can you guys remember roughly where you were at this point in the game?
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:37 am

No, but I checked my trophy history and I'd maxed out the social stats around the end of October or in early November. Have you been taking the Burger challenge? You'll gain +3 to every stat from the final one (only the first time though, subsequent attempts grant +3 to Guts only). Also, fix the PC for a Proficiency bonus.
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:21 am

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Anyway, back to the school trip, I was actually a bit disappointed that there was virtually no game play element during the entire trip, it was 99% just watching the story unfold and seeing Joker being a playa (I had four separate invites for the beach stroll, but went with Ann).

Now you see what I mean about story overtaking gameplay in some PS2-PS4 era RPGs? I didn't look forward to the post-dungeon experiences of P5 much, given that they were usually so padded with scenes and had very little interactivity involved. Didn't mind the school trip part a whole lot though. There's at least a change of scenery n' stuff.

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I'm not sure how I'm progressing relative to a typical play through; as above, I'm 13/14 September and have knowledge and charm at rank 4, the rest at rank 3.  Can you guys remember roughly where you were at this point in the game?

I think I was around the same ballpark. I didn't use the internet for much stuff on my playthrough other than certain enemy locations for specific persona fusions.

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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:14 pm

I've actually got a few maxed confidants already, but I may sacrifice a couple of them in order to work on my social stats with the aim of doing a 100% NG+ run. I do find myself running out of money pretty frequently though; without exploiting the mementos trick you mentioned earlier, Chou, is there any reliable way to generate decent income?
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:07 pm

- There is a way to exploit the lottery, but I've no idea how it works.
- You can ask a defeated enemy for money during the hold-up (Sun Confidant).
- You can get bonus money after successfully ambushing the Shadows (Star Confidant).
- Use the fortune teller's ability.
- Sell stuff to Iwai.

You'd just go for the Mementos' trick, as it is easily the most efficient way and you'll need millions to complete the compendium, create the best equipment and make some decent Personas.
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:54 pm

Here's how to do it:

1. get an Onmoraki (https://chinhodado.github.io/persona5_calculator/#/persona/Onmoraki )
2. level it up to learn Pulinpa and Confuse Boost
3. fuse it with Rakshasa for Sandman and carry other those skills
4.level it up via gallows manipulating its stat gains (you want Luck to be the only stat highlighted, if it isn't return to the previous menu and try again)
5. go to Mementos and fight a boss that can be confused (http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Mementos)
[6. remove everyone from your party to save time from skipping their turns]

At ~70 luck, I was getting over 100k per turn.

P.S. even if you don't want to use the money exploit until your 2nd playthrough, you should create the persona now and use the gallows once everyday to increase its luck. I'm sure Sock took advantage of the Pulinpa exploit too; he is a known cheater!
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:44 pm

No, I took the long way around and had to cast that ability that made them more susceptible to status effect moves first an-- I mean. I don't know what you're talking about.

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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:34 pm

Okay, quick update with some spoiler-y musings.

I'm now at the end of October and
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:57 pm

Save for later.

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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:42 pm

Next Palace (6th) = Best Palace
Whims of Fate is my favourite Persona song.



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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:52 pm

Well, fai to say I may have been wrong...

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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:00 pm

There was a pretty obvious hint about the traitor's identity, but you probably missed it.
I wish I hadn't noticed it either, so I could have speculated about the traitor too. Also, if you fail to complete a Palace before the deadline, Joker will be arrested and the traitor shows up in a cutscene (you don't see the face, but you can easily recognise the voice).
I think the identities of the Phantom Thieves' enemies are not supposed to be this game's plot twist.
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PostSubject: Re: Persona 5   Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:08 pm

I'm guessing there'll be twists in store yet; after all, Joker gets caught in the casino. We know this.

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