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PostSubject: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:20 pm



It's a great film I suggest you all do the same
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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:33 pm

Nah, the comic was much better.
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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:40 pm

They can not encapsulate how good the manga was in a two hour movie. Don't even know if I want to watch the movie.
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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:41 pm

Watch it for the glorious animation.
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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:09 am

Kaede wrote:
They can not encapsulate how good the manga was in a two hour movie.
But they CAN encapsulate how good the manga was in a 38 second movie
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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:04 am

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Watch it for the glorious animation.

And by glorious animation, he means the just barely fluid animation and characters constantly having weird, choppy mannerisms, and expressions because their animators were so blatantly newbish at handling such a task like a full fledged traditionally animated film.

But in all fairness, the animators' amateur attempts at handling such an assignment has really become part of the film's charm(other than its mindfuckery and assness compared to the original comic). It's always hilarious to see a character have an awkward twitch, jerk around or randomly hunch over and make a stupid face because their respective animators just didn't know what to really do with their character when they're not talking/being the focal point of attention. =P

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:52 am

Animation reminds me of Evangelion. Of course, what would I know, watching it at 5,000 fps?
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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:38 pm

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Watch it for the glorious animation.

And by glorious animation, he means the just barely fluid animation and characters constantly having weird, choppy mannerisms, and expressions because their animators were so blatantly newbish at handling such a task like a full fledged traditionally animated film.

But in all fairness, the animators' amateur attempts at handling such an assignment has really become part of the film's charm(other than its mindfuckery and assness compared to the original comic). It's always hilarious to see a character have an awkward twitch, jerk around or randomly hunch over and make a stupid face because their respective animators just didn't know what to really do with their character when they're not talking/being the focal point of attention. =P
The day you can draw to that standard we might care.

The apparent assness looks better then most things i've seen to date.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:07 pm

Sora only cares about frames per second and lip syncing guys, you should know that by now.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:11 pm

And background music.
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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:47 pm

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Sora only cares about frames per second and lip syncing guys, you should know that by now.

The film did have lip syncing, though(for the original Japanese version, obviously).

And no, for me, the fluidity comes second to how well the animators actually, for lack of better words, "act out" the characters. Considering how Akira was, if I assumed correctly, a first major full animated(instead of the standard limited style) anime film, they probably(and did by the looks of it) had difficulty in doing said "acting".

As you may know, animation on this level is rather difficult, not only because it's such an exhausting job, it's also because you have to know how to make these characters have movement and gestures that are natural and plausible. The fluidity isn't what's important(well, unless the frame rate is god awful, then yeah, it'll be detrimental), it's the character moving convincingly and not looking stiff or jerking around.

In Akira, it's inconsistent. Sometimes, mostly when a character is speaking, it looks pretty well done. The character has weight to them, their gestures accentuate how they feel, and it just looks flat out natural. Other times, the animation just looks off. A character may look a little stiff as if someone shoved a stick up their ass, they'll have jerky movements, the gestures may be a bit too overblown and not calm and subtle when required, and the facial animation sometimes looks derp.

I think that's mostly the problem that the studio had when they did Akira. They finally got a chance to do a full animated epic and just went nuts over this more expressive and intricate style of animation that other certain studios(coughDisneycough) have been handling with much more finesse for years.

If you look at the following feature the same studio produced years later, Steamboy, you can see the animation looks a lot more refined. Too bad the film itself was so lousy, though.

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The day you can draw to that standard we might care.

What are you, five years old?

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The apparent assness looks better then most things i've seen to date.

Then you haven't seen much things. Hell, even Miyazaki's work is more tolerable. While his films' animation is obviously more limited, at least the characters don't jerk around and look like idiots when they do move.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:35 am

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What are you, five years old?
Well i could of said that or called you racist. Akira is world reknowned for being one of the best animations ever if we were only counting animations made pre 90s it almost certainly would be considered the best.

But sorry your artist eye is so much keener i forgot i was speaking to leonardo da vinci here...

Seriously though someone making a retort to a childish argument and by calling me a 5 year old, ingenius.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:54 am

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Animation reminds me of Evangelion.
End of Evangelion has the best animated fight scene I can think of. All the tricks they use to hide the cheapness make it look so much better than it would if it animated to Disney standard.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:58 am

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Well i could of said that or called you racist.

How is criticising the animation racist? It could be animated anywhere and it wouldn't matter. This isn't just some "lol dumbass Japanese" thing. Hell, If it was done by Disney and turned out exactly the same way I'd still think the same.

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Akira is world reknowned for being one of the best animations ever if we were only counting animations made pre 90s it almost certainly would be considered the best.

Because the film did look beautiful. It had a wonderful art direction and extremely detailed backgrounds, that doesn't mean the character animation itself was anything spectacular. They were still noted for being somewhat limited(and even I am not that critical, I don't find them limited nor static at all, just jerky and awkward).

And no, if you were counting animation pre-90s, it's true it would be deemed high-tier, just tying classic Warner Bros. material, but nowhere near the best. Have you even seen classic Disney and Don Bluth films? Their character animation trumps a lot of modern Disney's big time.

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Seriously though someone making a retort to a childish argument and by calling me a 5 year old, ingenius.

I asked because that whole "if you can't do better, your opinion doesn't matter" type of argument sounds like some shit a little kid would say.

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End of Evangelion has the best animated fight scene I can think of. All the tricks they use to hide the cheapness make it look so much better than it would if it animated to Disney standard.

Yeah, it was well done. Their attempts to hide its cheapness were definitely better than the attempts in Sword of the Stranger's overrated as hell fight scene. That one was just LOL HAND/SHAKY CAM EFFECT DERP DERP.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:54 am

Hrm, yes, indeed. The whatchamacallit Animation by Director Egg Foo Young, that's quite right.

But did you ever once stop to ponder... that perhaps the dingo ate your baby?
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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:01 am

I boomerang'd the dingo before it got to the baby.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:27 am

Don't joke about that man. Dingoes eat 800 babies a year.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:37 am

They make for great pets if they don't eat babies, though.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:44 am

There's only 6 dingoes in Australia. They all eat a lot a babies.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:47 am

That's a lie.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:49 am

You'll never find a picture of more than 6 dingoes. It's always the same ones.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:55 am

They all just look very alike.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:03 am

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That's a lie.
No, It's a scientific fact that Dingos need the flesh of babies in order to survive. That's why there's only six of them in all of Australia, it's very hard to find babies walking around out in the wild.


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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:08 am

That's absolute bull. Wallabies and kangaroos are sent out to get rid of dingoes every single day but they keep breeding and coming back in masses.



That little joey there is a future dingo killer.

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PostSubject: Re: Just watched Akira for the 8th time in a row   Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:14 am

So why are they called Joeys?
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